In The Division Bells (synched with Planet of the Apes) cd booklet on the front you see two ape-like faces. On Keep Talking, you see a lot of monkeys and the ones in the middle of the page make an ape face. On the last song, High Hopes you see a man with a cape. Neat eh? Now if you have Mind Over Matter: The Images of Pink Floyd (by Storm Thorgerson), turn to page 139 and look into the cape. What do you see? If you believe in the Publius Enigma, why not believe in this. And the Enigma is real. Watch PULSE and look in the mini disc of A Momentary Lapse of Reason. Very closely.
Dex Here is your chance to return David B’slast shot.
With the introduction of this
The discussion long ago turned into a debate, but now you got “witnessing” IMHO. I would think there ain’t too much difference between belief in a god and a belief in the Publius Enigma.
–There are message boards out there devoted to all of the Pink Floyd associated claptrap. Why not let people go there and debate it? signed, The Server
Yeah, but desire to be an architect does not give one the ability to write an album exactly synched to a movie in any other manner than beginning to end. And Nick Mason never really did much of anything in the overall planning anyway.
The evidence seems to indicate that Dark Side of the Moon was written piecemeal, including work from earlier projects (Breathe from Roger Waters’s soundtrack to The Body, Us and Them from a cut scene in Zabriskie Point, and Brain Damage from work on Meddle), the songs were perfected, put together, then mastered by Alan Parsons, with sound effects and dialogue added.
As I also noted, The Wall could not possibly have been written to synch with any movie, as the song order was changed at the last minute, dropping a whole song entirely. My copy is rather old for a CD, I believe it has been redone since then, probably cutting the titles directly from the lyrics sheet, where said minus sign does appear (well, at least some sort of mark on the page there that looks like a minus sign, hyphen, or dash).
On Ummagumma, are you trying to say that they synchronized the live songs, which had been written earlier, for different albums (or singles)? I don’t even see how that’s possible. What I’m guessing you’re hearing in the applause is evidence that the songs were taken from different recordings.
A Nice Pair contains Saucerful of Secrets and Piper at the Gates of Dawn, with the live version of Astronomy Domine from Ummagumma replacing the studio version on Piper. Of course, this all has nothing to do with whether or not Dark Side was intentionally synchronized with The Wizard of Oz. Odd that you criticise others for straying from the topic. So far your primary goal seems to be to lose us all in stream of conscious recitation of Pink Floyd related trivia.
Shall we discuss Dave Gilmour’s solo albums, Nick Mason’s work with Kate Bush, or Clapton’s collaboration on Pros and Cons of Hitchiking next? I suppose there’s also Syd Barrett’s solo albums, and somehow Atom Heart Mother has been entirely slighted.
Oh, and yes, I’m aware of the backwards message on Amused to Death and have read about the events (20 years or so after 2001) that led to it. What was your point?
Oh, and yes, I’m aware of the backwards message on Amused to Death and have read about the events (20 years or so after 2001) that led to it. What was your point?
My point was that Pink Floyd and Stanley Kubrick were close frineds.
waterj2–Odd that you criticise others for straying from the topic. So far your primary goal seems to be to lose us all in stream of conscious recitation of Pink Floyd related trivia.
Was I straying? The topic is: Pink Floyd and Wizard of Oz was intentional. What I am doing is providing evidence that Pink Floyd do synchronicities. All you need is an open mind. “What if they did make it intentional?”, but you don’t have one. You’re just maing it seem very difficult to do a synchronicity, but its not. Heck, I bet I could do one, even though I don’t play guitar, drums, sing, play bass, or any other instruments. Just have a scene on a loop and play to the gestures and mood of the scene(s). Its quite simple.
It seems that the majority of opposers cannot see the synchronicity. It could be a mental thing (not an insult) or it could be that you get too involved with the movie, but who knows. There are more people that can see the synch, than cannot. If you don’t believe me (which you probably don’t), why was it shown on TCM? I think they called it The Dark Side of Oz. Oh, and has anyone looked in Mind Over Matter: The Images of Pink Floyd on page 139, inside the cape?
CITE?!
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No, it’s flipside. It would appear that the minority of posters do not see the lack therof.
I certainly hope you don’t wish to represent the teen posters.
What, exactly, is your point about the triangle, and how does it support your contention that Dark Side of the Moon is synchronized with The Wizard of Oz? The Web site you link to implies that the rainbow pattern is more important. Do all albums with triangles synch up with The Wizard of Oz? Do all albums with rainbows synch up with The Wizard of Oz?
More importantly, you admit that “Dark Side of the Moon probably does have times when it synchronizes with Terminator 2.” Fair enough. So why is it significant when Dark Side of the Moon sychs with The Wizard of Oz, and not significant when Dark Side of the Moon sychs with Terminator 2?
Most importantly, this is my contention: All combinations of movies and albums have moments that synch up. The synchronization of Dark Side of the Moon with The Wizard of Oz is no more significant or impressive than the synchronization of any random pair. Tell me why you feel this is not true. (If you say anything like “you just have to really see it” then, I warn you, I’ll say “You just have to really see the synchronicity between Trainspotting and The Stooges.”)
Back in the late 1980’s, I was creating 6-hour-long mixed-music tapes with my VCR (great if you want “background music” you actually enjoy). I’d select fairly-random cable channels for video during the songs. The “synchs” were always there, sometimes quite amusing, and nothing but coincidence. That other coincidences can be found between an album and a movie shouldn’t be surprising, it’s just the Law of Fives. I’m sure had I bothered to look, I could have found some “evidence” that the song “Stray Cat Strut” was purposefully synched to a small snippet of a Love Boat re-run.
So are the argument goes like this:
Assertion:
This album was produced to match the events in this movie.
Dissenter:
But the key points in the album that are supposed to match specific points in the movie, don’t really match!
Reply:
Don’t care. Just believe me when I say they’re supposed to be synchronized.
So the dinosaurs died off in the Cretaceous period. You don’t find their bones in any layers after the Cretaceous on account of the big honking meteor that hit the earth that wiped them out, as evidenced by the big honking crater and the K-T boundry, among other things. They died. Kaput, adios lizards, see you in Jurassic Park.
But because the world is odd, every once and awhile a natural disaster occurs where a layer of strata from the Cretaceous is reformed and dino bones appear in strata from the period following the Cretaceous. It is simply a curiousity of geology.
There’s this one guy in Notre Dame, though, who says that some dinos survived the impact. He bases it on this reformed strata, which essentially everybody calls a coincidence as there is no other supporting evidence and reformed strata is easy enough to distinguish. Still, though, this guy is bent that some dinos survived.
The palentology community pretty much thinks that the guy is a wanker. I don’t know why he does it- perhaps he considers himself one of those Outcast Science Types Who Will Be Proven Right Later. A new Copernicus, perhaps. Maybe he just does it for the attention, because it certainly gets him spots on television. But you have to figure that there’s a difference between Copernicus and Notre Dame guy- the latter is flying in the face of evidence, and he’s doing it at all cost.
That’s ignorance. Give it a doctorate and some face time on tv and it’s no different than someone repeating over and over that something is right and true against overwhealming logic and evidence to the contrary, be it a stupid urban legend or something about a Pink Floyd album.
ScOo_guy said:
That’s what hijack means. Okay, go here instead. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=78525
Actually I think it goes :
Assertion: album was produced to match the events in the movie.
Dissenter: a. Only a small percentage of the album is even claimed to match and b. even those items that are claimed to match one has to do all sorts of gyrations to get them to do so. (ignore portions of one, delay the start of one, pause this, fast forward through that, this is talking about something that’s about to happen, this is talking about something that just happened, etc.)
reply: so what, they still match!
To which I would respond: My brother and I are identical twins, too, except he’s male and I’m female, he’s got brown eyes and I’ve got green, he’s 5’8" and I’m 5’1", he’s 40 and I’m 46, etc. etc. etc.
[[ All you need is an open mind. “What if they did make it intentional?”, but you don’t have one. ]]
Well, I’ve got one. I’ve always liked DSotM, and I’ve always liked TWoO, and I’d LOVE it if it turned out that Pink Floyd intentionally recorded the album in such a way that it synched up with the movie. That’s just great party trivia.
So, because of my open mind, I listen to evidence that would tend to prove the assertion, and I listen to evidence that would tend to disprove the assertion. That’s my definition of an open mind, anyway.
So far in this thread (not to mention the dozens that have gone before it) this is what has been offered as “evidence” that would tend to prove the assertion:
- Other Pink Floyd works were associated with other movies.
- Pink Floyd members and Stanley Kubrick were friends.
- A triangle and a rainbow are on the cover of DSotM.
- Jerry Garcia ran a loop of a different movie while recording music for said movie.
- Just watch it, you’ll see.
On the other side of the equation we have:
- Everyone associated with the production of DSotM denies any intentional synchronization of the album with any movie, including TWoO.
- Copious amounts of data about the actual recording of the album tend to indicate that any synchronization with any movie, including TWoO, is not physically possible.
The only possible refutation of point 1 is that all parties associated with the production of DSotM have banded together conspiratorially to deny the link. Unfortunately, this theory falls flat when confronted with the question, “what possible motivation could ALL of the parties involved have for denying a link that would be a marketing goldmine, not to mention an act that would result in the undeniable claim that all parties involved are geniuses for being able to overcome the obstacles referred to in point 2?”
The sig line for a frequent poster a couple of years ago (whose name I’ve forgotten, and who may no longer be active on the board) read something along the lines of, “Always keep an open mind. But not so open that your brains fall out.” I don’t know if that was an original, or if someone else said it first, but they’re words to live by.
Rich
[choking with laughter} I mean, ScOo actually went through my Irving Berlin/Wizard of Oz analysis SERIOUSLY??? Trying to say that Pink Floyd has better synchronicity with WIZARD OF OZ than a purely random selection of songs? [/convulsions]
I mean, yeah, I reported it straight. My point was that if you want to make coincidences, you can find them. And I think a line about appetite coming exactly when Prof Marvel puts his hotdog on the stick is FAR more meaningful than a song “Past Present Future.”
Next thread: synchronicity between BEST OF THE WEAVERS CD and JURASSIC PARK.
My point was that if your run almost any two things together and LOOK for synchronicity, you’ll find it. The human mind is a wonderful thing.
Wait a minute, Philly playboy wannabe! Are you saying that
aren’t synched? Are you nuts??
I was just about to post positive proof about these two seemingly unrelated things. Then YOU post about them. Coincidence? I think not. We might be separated at birth(gag me).
Go away and let this thread run its course. Maybe David B. did you a favor. After all, you playboys have little else to do all day. Thanks for checking in.
(just in case)
People, people. The jig is up. SScOo0OoO0o_gUy has found us out. It’s over. We can either let him join the cabal or he’ll probably tell the press.
SkOOolloOLolllylollylolly: You’ve found out the truth. You’ve pressed on beyond the disinformation campaign designed to confound normal mortals. You’ve passed. The “Dark Side of The Moon”/“Wizard of Oz” connection is, like the 17/23 connection, a test by which the Illuminated Ones determine worthiness in our cabal. You’re one of the elite few. You’re in!
Soon you will recieve your Ruby Slippers via anonymous mail-drop. You must wear them at all times to protect you from our orbital-mind-control-rays. When wearing them, stop at any cigar store Indian you see, click your heels together three times and say “There’s no place like toys in the attic” three times. Once you do, the Indian will slide aside and you’ll be able to descend via a pneumatic tube into our secret headquarters.
More information will follow.
And for Heaven’s sake, avoid ALL clear carbonated beverages! Our enemies have defrocked priests who “unconsecrate” the uncolas. Now that you’re one of us, should even one drop pass your lips, you’ll melt like the Wicked Witch of the West! Until you get your slippers, you’re at risk! Beware! Now is the most dangerous moment of all, now that you’re on the brink of World DOMINIATION! But caution, like uncola-avoidance, will win you the WORLD!
Yours in Dark Brotherhood,
Fenris
Actually, you are simply asserting they do. Pulling claims out of your ass is not generally considered evidence.
Also, I have shown that your claims about The Wall and Ummagumma are impossible.
You, on the other hand, are simply claiming (without any evidence, aside from bizarre interpretations of the cover art) a new synchronicity with just about every post you make, rather than addressing in a rational manner the huge gaping flaws that others have found in your arguments.
Even if true, this would not indicate that it was done on purpose. There are little coincidences that occur between any movie and any album. Over the course of many years, it seems someone discovered a movie that synchronizes better than most with Dark Side of the Moon, and found the spot to start the movie at to provide the best matchup. Add to that the ability of people smoking pot to find cosmic significance in the most mundane detail, and you’ve got the makings of a silly conspiracy theory.
The basic premise that you have presented is that Pink Floyd secretly planned Dark Side of the Moon to synchronize with The Wizard of Oz in several places, and gave clues in the packaging material about this, despite the fact that it was not possible for consumers to experience this, and when it was discovered years later, denied it. Simply put, this makes no logical sense, and is contradicted by what is known about the writing and production of the album.
But not if you do not know at the time of composing the song which scene it will correspond to. Three pieces (at least) of the album were originally intended for other works. And everything seems to have been written and recorded before the exact running time of anything was known, which wouldn’t have been until the snippets of dialogue and other effects were added during mixing and editing.
I’m not claiming that it would be at all difficult to synchronize an album to a movie, merely that in this case it was not done.
And the related question of why they would include hints of it in the cover art, if they were going to such lengths to cover it up. Only in the mind of conspiracy theorists do people successfully keep big secrets while at the same time providing clues to the truth. In the real world, people don’t act like that, because it’s stupid and irrational, as well as pointless.
I would think that if it were intentional, someone in the know would have quietly leaked the information as soon as the album fell off the Top 200 chart, just to extend its record. I think it was the early eighties at least by the point that that first happened. Not even necessarily admit that it was intentional, just start the rumor to boost sales.