To the OP: next time, instead of watching the movie and looking for things that coincide, why don’t you watch it with an eye to what doesn’t coincide? Because at the moment, to an uninterested observer, you’re exhibiting clear signs of cognitive bias that don’t really help your case.
What, exactly, is your point about the triangle, and how does it support your contention that Dark Side of the Moon is synchronized with The Wizard of Oz? The Web site you link to implies that the rainbow pattern is more important. Do all albums with triangles synch up with The Wizard of Oz? Do all albums with rainbows synch up with The Wizard of Oz?
More importantly, you admit that “Dark Side of the Moon probably does have times when it synchronizes with Terminator 2.” Fair enough. So why is it significant when Dark Side of the Moon sychs with The Wizard of Oz, and not significant when Dark Side of the Moon sychs with Terminator 2?
The site that I provided a link to gives you the answer to the triangle on the cover. I read it at first and thought it was rather stupid, then I read it again and understood what he was talking about. And it makes sense. I’m sure some albums with triangles or rainbows synch a little with TWoO, but i’m sure they weren’t intentional. Not like TDSotM, which synchs nicely with moods, gestures, and other ways. Its significant because it was intentional, and Terminator 2 wasn’t.
–Most importantly, this is my contention: All combinations of movies and albums have moments that synch up. The synchronization of Dark Side of the Moon with The Wizard of Oz is no more significant or impressive than the synchronization of any random pair. Tell me why you feel this is not true. (If you say anything like “you just have to really see it” then, I warn you, I’ll say “You just have to really see the synchronicity between Trainspotting and The Stooges.”)
It is true that if you play any album with any movie they have times when they synch up, but with Dark Side and Wizard, it synchs a lot more than any others. Also, the album art. The emerald colored poster with the pyramids in the back. The other poster with the members on it and on the NK part you see a cross made with the lights. A sign of help.
–Back in the late 1980’s, I was creating 6-hour-long mixed-music tapes with my VCR (great if you want “background music” you actually enjoy). I’d select fairly-random cable channels for video during the songs. The “synchs” were always there, sometimes quite amusing, and nothing but coincidence. That other coincidences can be found between an album and a movie shouldn’t be surprising, it’s just the Law of Fives. I’m sure had I bothered to look, I could have found some “evidence” that the song “Stray Cat Strut” (cool song i might add) was purposefully synched to a small snippet of a Love Boat re-run.
OK…again, any album and any movie synch at times.
So are the argument goes like this:
Assertion:
This album was produced to match the events in this movie.
Dissenter:
But the key points in the album that are supposed to match specific points in the movie, don’t really match!
Reply:
Don’t care. Just believe me when I say they’re supposed to be synchronized.
What exactly are the key points? When Dorothy enters Munchkinland for the first time? Isn’t that when you hear the first cash-register of Money?
Notice how after the Pink Floyd recorded their first soundtrack the ,as yuns say, supposed synchronicities started.
So the dinosaurs died off in the Cretaceous period. You don’t find their bones in any layers after the Cretaceous on account of the big honking meteor that hit the earth that wiped them out, as evidenced by the big honking crater and the K-T boundry, among other things. They died. Kaput, adios lizards, see you in Jurassic Park.
But because the world is odd, every once and awhile a natural disaster occurs where a layer of strata from the Cretaceous is reformed and dino bones appear in strata from the period following the Cretaceous. It is simply a curiousity of geology.
There’s this one guy in Notre Dame, though, who says that some dinos survived the impact. He bases it on this reformed strata, which essentially everybody calls a coincidence as there is no other supporting evidence and reformed strata is easy enough to distinguish. Still, though, this guy is bent that some dinos survived.
The palentology community pretty much thinks that the guy is a wanker. I don’t know why he does it- perhaps he considers himself one of those Outcast Science Types Who Will Be Proven Right Later. A new Copernicus, perhaps. Maybe he just does it for the attention, because it certainly gets him spots on television. But you have to figure that there’s a difference between Copernicus and Notre Dame guy- the latter is flying in the face of evidence, and he’s doing it at all cost.
That’s ignorance. Give it a doctorate and some face time on tv and it’s no different than someone repeating over and over that something is right and true against overwhealming logic and evidence to the contrary, be it a stupid urban legend or something about a Pink Floyd album.
…ok… I believe he’s a wanker too. Unless if you wanna call the komoto dragon (spelling?) a dinosaur. And if you believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, heh.
Irishman–That’s what hijack means. Okay, go here instead. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=78525
–me-- I’d rather not.
wring–Actually I think it goes :
Assertion: album was produced to match the events in the movie.
Dissenter: a. Only a small percentage of the album is even claimed to match and b. even those items that are claimed to match one has to do all sorts of gyrations to get them to do so. (ignore portions of one, delay the start of one, pause this, fast forward through that, this is talking about something that’s about to happen, this is talking about something that just happened, etc.)
reply: so what, they still match!
To which I would respond: My brother and I are identical twins, too, except he’s male and I’m female, he’s got brown eyes and I’ve got green, he’s 5’8" and I’m 5’1", he’s 40 and I’m 46, etc. etc. etc.
a. Did I ever say that only a small portion of the album matches? I don’t remember if I did…no, i didn’t.
b. all you have to do is put the album on repeat, and push play after the third roar of the MGM lion. Thats not hard to do at all. You’re just making it seem hard by putting stuff in your message that makes no sense. Fast forward, rewind… whats that all about? Theres no fast forwarding (cept through the previews… if any).
-admin- [choking with laughter} I mean, ScOo actually went through my Irving Berlin/Wizard of Oz analysis SERIOUSLY??? Trying to say that Pink Floyd has better synchronicity with WIZARD OF OZ than a purely random selection of songs? [/convulsions]
I mean, yeah, I reported it straight. My point was that if you want to make coincidences, you can find them. And I think a line about appetite coming exactly when Prof Marvel puts his hotdog on the stick is FAR more meaningful than a song “Past Present Future.”
Next thread: synchronicity between BEST OF THE WEAVERS CD and JURASSIC PARK.
My point was that if your run almost any two things together and LOOK for synchronicity, you’ll find it. The human mind is a wonderful thing.
–me-- no no no, you see. There isn’t a song called Past Present Future. Its on the professors sign, during the song Time. The first time I saw The Dark Side of the Moon/The Wizard of Oz synchronicity, I had no clue what was going on. My cousin just started playing (he heard it from a friend).
Yet again, its true that there will be some synchs when you play any album with any movie.
Fenris (looks like the name of a private part, just minus the f, add a p in its place and minus the r.) (which describes him quite well too.)
Oh and, fellow dark brother, what did that have to do with the topic?
waterj2-- do you have Mind Over Matter: The Images of Pink Floyd? Read it and look on page 139 for a neat suprise.
But not if you do not know at the time of composing the song which scene it will correspond to. Three pieces (at least) of the album were originally intended for other works. And everything seems to have been written and recorded before the exact running time of anything was known, which wouldn’t have been until the snippets of dialogue and other effects were added during mixing and editing.
I’m not claiming that it would be at all difficult to synchronize an album to a movie, merely that in this case it was not done.
(but not if you do not…) Thats why you have to be smart. You’d have to plan, or devise a way.
Heres a Kubrick-Floyd site. http://www.angelfire.com/co/1x137/home.html (for your enjoyment)
Boy, it sure takes Pink Floyd a long time to make an album. Their next album is supposed to be released in the summer of 2002 and their last one was done in 1994…thats a long time (not including any of the special releases like The Wall live or PULSE, which was a live album too.)
Scoo_guy, click here - conclusive proof that you’re right!
Esprix
I have fixed the link – Dex
[Edited by C K Dexter Haven on 07-19-2001 at 08:33 AM]
Do you mean that MY penis describes me: Hard, Lusty and Manly, filled with rampant, boundless energy? Or are you trying to imply that yours describes me: puny, limp, pathetic…noodlelike? These things matter! I’m assuming, given your fixation on my penis that it’s the former. But while I’m flattered, I’m not interested in you that way. Thanks for asking though.
In any event, you noticed that of the 6 letters in my name, 4 of them are the same as the word “Penis”. Um…so my screen name shares two vowels out of 5 possible vowels (and sometymes “Y”) and 2 consonants out of 21? No wonder you’re so good at seeing coincidences in movies :rolleyes:
Fenris, with a robust Penis that ScOo_gUy is fixated on!
ScOo_gUy, you seem to have two misconception. Let’s tackle them one at a time
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MISCONCEPTION #1 In your own words:
Here’s the crux of the matter: Why do you say that DSotM/TWoO synch up “a lot more” than any others? Have you watched any others to compare? Dex made a pretty impressive list of “synchronicities” above with Irving Berlin/Wizard of Oz. Why are the Dark Side of the Moon synchronizations valid and the Irving Berlin synchronizations invalid?
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MISCONCEPTION #2 In your own words, continuing directly from the quote above:
Read carefully what waterj2 wrote above. Why would Pink Floyd hide “hints” about the “synchronicity” in the artwork, and then later deny any “synchronicity”? Why is this more significant than, say, the art inside the gatefold of Led Zeppelin IV? Yes, I read the wab page you linked to, and no, it didn’t make any sense. Even so, postulating some over-arching music-related conspiracy has no bearing on the specific subject in hand, which is the alleged DSotM/TWoO “synch”.
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In short, your entire argument boils down to “everything about the synchronicity between Dark Side of the Moon and The Wizard of Oz is more significant than any other synchronicity.” OK; show some proof. Surely with the number of Pink Floyd fans out there, someone must have done a deeper analysis of this, right?
And just how exactly were viewers and listeners in the mid-70s, who had the benefit of neither CD players nor VCRs, supposed to find this out? :rolleyes:
OK, Putting on Moderator Hat here, and speaking VERY LOUD so that everyone understands:
(1) This is NOT the forum for personal insults. Fenris, your remarks are funny (I laughed aloud) but out of line in this forum.
(2) ScOo – for love of heaven, PLEASE put quoted material in some form of separation. Use quote marks, “Like this” or use greater than signs << like this >> or use the standard quote method
. And PLEASE only quote material that is relevant. Your last few posts were way too long to read, and I couldn’t tell what material you were quoting from others and what you were saying.
(3) This topic has now ceased to provide useful additional information. We are now at the shouting match stage, with the entire rest of the posters screaming, “Does NOT!” and ScOo screaming “Does TOO!” and repeat ad infinitam.
I am therefore closing this thread.
Anyone interested in maintaining a serious discussion about synchs between various forms of art/entertainment, may open again elsewhere. Anyone interested in continuing to yell “Does NOT!/Does SO!” can go to the forum called IMHO and start up again. Anyone interested in further insults, can go to the Pit.
We’re done here, gang.