I’m pretty sure I heard “Navy.” Gee, I suppose I’ll just have to see it again, just to be sure. Six won’t be too many viewings…will it?
So what, precisely, is clemency? And, as we can assume Will did not join the Navy–why the outfit? (Not that I’m complaining.)
Maybe he heard Norrington’s “ELIZABETH!!!”
The outfit was just popular back in those days. Among the “pretty boy” faction, as opposed to the “puritan all-dark-clothes” faction of the populace. Clemency means… well, it means the governor pardoned him instead of hanging him for being a pirate.
If this is the case…
I’ve heard stories from WWII vets who wound up in trouble with the law during the war, and the judge told them “Join the military or go to jail.” Wonder if something similar worked out.
If Will joined the Navy - which there is absolutely no other evidence for in the movie except for what Buckleberry may have heard, although I’ll admit there’s also no explicit evidence saying that he did NOT join the Navy - he’s definitely not wearing a British Navy uniform in that scene. (Two links - one text, one image.)
Hello one more time pirate fans and mateys. While surfing around today I have discovered in a number of spots a boycott Johnny Depp movement; apparently because he lives in (gasp) France and calls doesn’t call French fries “American Fries”. Here’s a link which will let you know whereof I speak - http://WWW.ROTTENTOMATOES.COM/forum/showthread.php?threadid=257941
Anyway, we’re all fighting ignorance here, so I’m hoping you all think this is just as ignorant as I do. I guess it probably doesn’t bother Mr. Depp, so it shouldn’t bother me.
Question: Is this sort of conservative feeling enough to rob said Mr. Depp of an Oscar nom? Or will he be overlooked because he’s playing a comic part in a summer movie?
I think Johnny won’t get a nom for the same reason James Marsters never got an Emmy–“it’s just a silly kid’s show”. Which is a shame, he’s magnificent.
Anyway, I saw it yesterday, near Lincoln Center. Aye, on a street named after that fine city Amsterdam, and I walk in and there be pirates everywhere, chargin’ six doubloons for exploded maize and half as much for caramel-sugar water! And I walk out onto a street named after the fine sailor Columbus, and there be a festival of pirates right out on the street, as pretty and brazen as you please! Treasures of the finest plastic from the far reaches of China and India, sculptures from Africa, crepes from France, sausages from Italy, chickens from Jamaica that had been hideously “jerked”, new inventions to clean your Persian rugs or gold rings, invitations to get fine journals and cable TV, all under bizarre and colorful tents with raucous music blaring from them, for blocks and blocks! I think they call it a “street fair”.
Ahem. Anyway, loved the movie. Only things that bugged me was Sparrow recovering instantly from the sword wound while the pirate on the Dauntless and Barbossa succumbed to the wounds they’d gotten as zombies. Loved the switching between zombie and non. Bugged at the idea of an 18-year-old girl who had never yet worn a corset. Adored Orlando and Geoffrey and glad they didn’t totally take that poor schlep Norrington down the mustache-twirling route. Could have done with a little editing, but I’m aware I’m about 15 years above the target audience. The careful avoidance of the fact there would have been a lot of slaves around was only highlighted by the sore thumb of Annalisa, although I thought the actress was fine. Fashions all over the place, although I thought the sets, esp. Tortuga, were wonderful and I wonder where they shot the Port Royale scenes; I’ve only been to Fort Catherine in Bermuda but they caught the feel of those towns.
Love it, want to see it again soon. Looking forward to the sequel although they might screw it up. The fact that Will’s father probably walked on the sea floor to Australia or something would be a natural starting point.
Well, I feel incredibly stupid now–he couldn’t possibly be wearing the Navy uniform, as the uniform would have been the red that all the rest of the Navy wore throughout the movie–most specifically, the two men who were stationed to keep the docks off limits to civillians.
Now that leaves the question of: If Norrington did mutter “hmm, the Navy,” why? Naval personnel were there quite obviously (holding the flags on the side of the crowd), so he would not be surprised. And if he did not, what did he say?
Anyone perhaps just come from a viewing?
I’ll see if I can talk Gunslinger into going to yet another matinee of it. (It’d be his third viewing, my fourth.)
Mehitabel, of course Elizabeth had never worn a corset before. She’d’ve been accustomed to stays. In period (which I take to be any time between 1500 and 1800, they were extremely vague) they did not wear corsets laced so tight you couldn’t breathe! Besides that, even when “real” corsets - not the lighter “stays” of the eighteenth century - where in vogue, they weren’t really supposed to hurt if you were wearing them right. The entire corset thing annoys me.
Yeah, this whole movie has costume schitzophrenia. Not that one could expect anything different from a big movie–someday, I’m going to make a movie set c. 1700 and it’s going to be excruciatingly correct, costume-wise. We’ll blow the whole budget on stays and stockings! Who’s with me?!
Upon second viewing the other day, my appreciation for Geoffery Rush’s performance went up a notch. I didn’t notice the first time around how Barbossa is totally getting off on watching Elizabeth eat. If she’d eaten that apple, the movie would have hopped out of the PG-13 range toot sweet! 
I think we can expect to see Johnny Depp with the Golden Globe for Musical/Comedy Actor. I’m holding out for him as a dark horse Oscar contender, but I’m not holding my breath, you know? If he does well at the Globes, I’ll feel more confident about his Academy chances, of course.
Junie,
writing her first piece of fanfiction and totally geeked out.
Junie, if you cast these same actors, and make it clear that the clothing is accurate down to the underthings, I’m with you 100%.
What underthings?
Oh, that remake! Of course, of course!
Actually, OpalCat, in my experience 18th century corsets are more comfortable than bras, you just can’t bend much. And you can store your knitting down them.
The whole “Ooh, it’s a corset, it must HURT” thing just bothers me.
After looking at lots and lots of costume pics, it seems to me that the women are all 1750’s ish, and the men are earlier. Barbossa looks Cavalier to me, andso does Will’s getup at the end of the movie, particularly the hair and hat.
I’m making Mr. Lissar an 18th outfit for Christmas. I’ve had to look at lots and lots of Orlando Bloom/Johnny Depp pics. Oh, the pain.
If you’re willing to be flexible by about sixty years, check out Barry Lyndon. Possibly the most historically accurate film ever made in an 18th-century setting. Many of the costumes are authentic to the period: not just re-creations, but actual pieces from the time. Quite a remarkable achievement for that and many other reasons.
Avast & Ahoy - I’ve just been visitin’ over to the website of the screenwriters of POTC. They are very talented guys (we all love the witty dialogue almost as much as we love Depp, Rush & Company’s delivery of it, right?). Anyway, here’s a link in case you scurvy dogs are interested:
http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/movies/index.cgi?read=51739
sound of hand hitting forehead Of course they’re stays, not corsets! Stupid me!
So, is it supposed to be 17th? Most of the costumes are 18th for sure. I’m with Juniper, although I don’t actually like 17th nearly as much as 18th. I think most men look better not in petticoat breeches, although Orlando makes a beautiful quasi-Cavalier.
I’m seriously tempted to read the fanfic. I’ve never read fanfic before, but I just rewatched Pirates and saw the extended FOTR dvd again and I think I’ve gone mad.
There’s really only one fanfic off of Fanfiction.net that I’d highly reccommend–it’s under the title of “Whispers.” It’s largely Elizabeth-centric and rather short, but very much in-character for all those that it references. The rest of the fanfic are heavily author-insertions, in which the author wins her favorite character. I’ve not read all of them however, and I leave it to you to make your final desicion.
There are some livejournal communities based around writing fanfic, and they’ve got some good writers and stories - a much higher proportion of Good and In Character to Dreck than fanfiction.net has, and I’ve yet to see a Mary Sue in 'em. In fact, the ones I’ve seen in the communities have few or no original characters at all - they tend to be elaborations on things the movie left unsaid, which is a kind I like.
Lissla, I actually did a little bit of research and tried to figure out what time period the movie is set in, and came up with the following (which I posted, in more depth, in one of the livejournal communities):
Conclusion: The filmmakers just pulled details from Whatever Looked Good in any time period that had that sort of pirates.
By the way, as you seem more knowledgeable than I on costume history, maybe you can help me here. Gibbs’ outfit seemed very 1820s to me - reminded me of images of the whaling-ship sailors in my New York hometown - especially the hat. Can you say yea or nay to that impression?
Which LJ fic communities are you reading, racin? I watch “ptoc_fic”, but no one ever seems to post there. And darned if the “do_me_captjack” group isn’t a lot more fun!
On ff.net, I heartily and without reservation recommend a work in progress called The Silence of the Deep. It’s just getting started, but I’m totally hooked; I can tell it’s shaping up to be something very interesting. And this girl has the Jack voice down. I keep going back to chapter three just so it can crack me up again.
I’m an active member of “arrrrr,” which is general PotC blabber, and read “pirategasm” for the fics, which is fairly active but has a lot of t3h s3xx0r, some het and some slash, which could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your own preferences.
