No, you cunt. Er, “can’t”.
Cockneys call people cants all the time… well actually, it’s more of a carnt, you carnts!
You fackin’ carnt!
It would help to know the purpose of the law to help us understand the general spirit of the law. What’s the purpose of the law?
I won’t speak for Ed, but my understanding of what he said is that there have been a handful of incidences that involved very ugly exchanges between posters, and he would like to eliminate those. The hopeful side effect to that would be a general improvement of the overall civility of the board, even in the pit, which would in theory make the board a better place all around.
Yesterday I linked to what I think was a wholly appropriate use of “Fuck you” as a thread title and OP body in the pit. It was entirely appropriate to say in response to someone calling me a monster in Great Debates, and by posting my unvarnished sentiment in the pit, I was able to continue posting in a GD manner in GD without showing hostility there.
Hobostew, if they want to get rid of the handful of very ugly exchanges, I have no problem with that. But Ed’s throwing out the fuckyou baby with the stoplickingyourmotherscunt bathwater.
So is the main purpose to avoid “ugly exchanges between posters”? If so, could you define an “ugly exchange”?
For the rest, lots of assumptions there. How does improving the overall civility of the Pit make the board a better place all around? It’s pretty clear from the response here that it’s not universal that people agree that it’s making the board a better place. It makes a better place for whom? And in what way?
*you can assume I’ve read most of this thread
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There have been ugly exchanges between posters for years, and it never bothered Ed before now.
On the other hand, a couple of his admins/mods recently got their just desserts in The Pit for spectacularly poor decisions, and now, all of a sudden, The Pit has to be MPSIMS PG-13.
Better ways to handle it:
- Get better mods, with thicker skins.
- Let mods/admins opt out of the Pit…have a rule that says no pitting whichever mods opt out.
- No pitting any mod/admin–note this is a pansy assed approach, but still better than what he’s done.
Maybe, maybe not. Everyone now is just assuming that he is with almost no evidence to back it up. Which is why I suggested (in general, not to you in particular) maybe waiting a bit before frothing at the mouth and declaring a revolt.
I can define it for myself, but that is neither here nor there because this has nothing to do with me. Only Ed knows what really set this off. I DO know that if you are looking for a complete compendium of everything that qualifies as an ugly exchange, well I wouldn’t hold my breath. The best way to get the answer is to wait and watch how the pit gets moderated. After a few months I have a feeling everyone will have at least a rough idea of what they are looking for.
Sure, the posters in this thread don’t agree that raising the civility of the pit will make the board a better place, but Ed clearly does, and since he has done a lot of other things right I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. At least for the short term. If, after a few months, this new rule proves untenable, I will gladly join the petition. But on the face of it, forcing people to think for a moment instead of mindlessly blabbing “fuck off” doesn’t sound like a particularly bad thing to me.
Whether or not that is true (maybe it did bother him before and he just hasn’t had the time to act on it until now) it clearly bothers him now, and that’s really the ballgame here.
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Just deserts. Young man, we have had entire threads about this.
See – obnoxious pedantry is still perfectly okay.
“No evidence”? Here’s the rule in question, quoted from the OP:
I’m limiting myself to a specific example because I generally believe specifics help us understand what’s going on. You can’t get much more similar to “fuck off” than “fuck you.” My OP consisted almost entirely of those two words. I argue that it was an appropriate and constructive use of the pit, channeling bile away from an interesting thread.
If that OP would be allowed under Rule 2, then the rule makes no sense to me. If the OP would not be allowed, then I believe the Pit’s value is lessened.
It’s no catastrophe, but I think it’s a poor choice on Ed’s part.
Bull. Shit.
There have been a lot of references to supposedly awful exchanges that have taken place, but I’ve yet to see a concrete example. I think it would be helpful for people to understand the need for a new rule if someone could dig up a few links that highlight the behavior some feel is unacceptable.
Correction: Bull. Fucking. Shit.
I suck at spelling. I’m part of the age group that got the SRA reading program instead of learning phonics. I blame a vast left wing conspiracy.
Huh? I live in a desert. You eat dessert.
Nope.
Bah. Learn something new every day I guess.
Why are we waiting that long? Ed has been moderating the Pit for several months now and has been using these rules that only got posted recently. Your words give me the feeling that you haven’t been seeing those mod actions.
I’d invite you to do a search of Ed Zotti’s posts in the Pit going backwards. I just did and saw several warnings and several clarifications. The pattern is unclear to me. Could you make it clearer?
Again, you sound like people here haven’t already given the benefit of the doubt over the last several months and are now speaking out in frustration.
But you haven’t really told us why raising the level of civility (which is something you can’t now define) is a good thing. Are you just trusting Ed that he knows why but is not telling us? Do you have any ideas about why?
How would it prove untenable? What are the desired and undesired consequences?