I have apologized for my post, and I stand by that apology. The moderators have a difficult enough job without the peanut gallery making it harder. If I applaud the referee in football (soccer) for showing my opponent a yellow card, that’s being a dick, and I might very well end up in the book as well.
Hilarious that Steophan, who almost never actually has a cite to support any criticism he makes about another poster, insists that his is a “point of view based on facts”.
My cite is your posts, in your case.
Oh, welcome to your Pit thread, you stupid fucking asshole.
I stand by what I said over in the ATMB thread.
You can attack someone through making an insulting observation. If you can’t understand that, I’m not sure how you are going to avoid future warnings.
Steophan has defiantly stated that he doesn’t consider his statements to be insults and it has been made clear that the moderators completely disagree. I don’t see this ending well for Steophan.
(In fairness he apologized for calling iiandyiiii childish, that showed a bit of class.)
That’s just a back-handed way of saying he stands by everything else.
The back-and-forth in the ATMB thread reminds me of about half of the episodes of The Big Bang Theory, in which the rest of the group tries to explain to Sheldon why something he told someone, which he viewed to be a simple factual statement, was hurtful.
Which posts? Please be specific. Because I think you’re pulling shit out of your ass that has pretty much nothing to do with my actual words.
That’s what I’d expect from someone who’s unwilling or unable to examine their own biases and flaws. But sure, keep asking for cites for the clear pattern of behaviour I’ve been calling you out on for years rather than dealing with that behaviour. It was all cited many years ago, but you haven’t changed. I can’t make you examine yourself, but I can confidently state you’d be both happier and a better person if you did.
You’ve been calling me out, cite-free, for years. Your accusations have little or nothing to do with my posts. I’ve been telling you this for years. This thread started because you made an accusation against me that was unsupported by my actual words.
In short, you’ve been lying about me for years, and not even trying to justify your accusations. So put up or shut up. Quit making shit up.
Fortunately your actual words are preserved here, and you can be judged on them. I suspect you’d be shocked if you know how they are recieved even within this little echo chamber, let alone how they’d come across in the wider world.
But again, I can’t make you examine yourself. I’d advise you to go somewhere where the prevailing opinion is as hostile to your views as this place is to mine and see it you can still reasonably hold them, but I doubt you could cope with the “insult” of that many people seeing your flaws.
Which words? You’re still not providing even a shred of support for your accusations. When I say something about you, I cite your exact words. Why can’t you be bothered to do this? Other than just being a lazy liar?
Here, I’ll do some of your work for you. Here’s the post you insulted me for that got you warned:
in full:
Which words, specifically, in those two paragraphs demonstrated not having “a system of morality”? Which words demonstrated “a bunch of unexamined responses to things you find unpleasant” and that I am “why we need laws”? Which words demonstrated a “childish desire for vengeance against people who did nothing but protect themselves”?
The words are right there. Which ones do you object to?
The ones where you describe someone proven to have been acting in self defence as a murderer. You are letting you political disagreement with him override your knowledge that self defence is a moral right, because you either can’t or choose not to make moral judgements based on a coherent system of morality, but can do nothing more complex than “gun man bad must punish”.
You have made literally thousands of posts (rightly) condemning bullies if their victims are black, queer, women and so on, but the moment the victim is a white male exercising their basic rights you can’t do that, you condemn him. That is because you do not have an actual system of morality, rather you look at the superficial nature of the person and judge only on that and not the acts.
I will concede that bigotry in favour of oppressed minorities is less directly damaging than bigotry against them, but what you do will empower other bigots as they will see what you are doing and use it to justify their own behaviour, quite apart from the damage done to people who are harmed despite being ostensibly the priviliged group.
The precise words I object to - these.
You disingenuously turned the discussion from people proven to have been acting in self defence to people exonerated by an unfair court, and use that as an excuse to call innocent people “murderers”. That is reprehensible, and the fact that you only do so to people like Rittenhouse and Zimmerman and not the hundreds of black people who kill in self defence each year (proportionally far more than white people) shows your bias.
It will require the interested reader to go back to find the context behind your quote, but they can easily do so and find that it’s exactly what I’ve described.
As for this, it’s not my job to think for you, you are either capable of self reflection or any attempt I made would be worthless.
It’s your job to justify your accusations, otherwise people just think you’re talking shit, which right now they do. A vague handwave saying “it’s what you wrote” doesn’t do it.
This didn’t happen. No one has been “proven to have been acting in self defence”. Being found “not guilty” is not a finding of anything, except that they have not been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
So this is a factually false statement by you. Just factually false.
Okay, find such a post. Just a single one. Then we can talk about it.
I made a factual statement. The words you quoted were purely factual – it’s a fact that “murderer” as a term is also used outside of purely legal contexts.
You are objecting to a factual statement.
I didn’t do any of this. I made a statement of fact. That you’re objecting to a neutral statement of fact should tell you something about your own biases.
This is just straight up an admission of trolling in the ATMB thread.
You are denying condemning the bullies of minorities? Seriously? You are being ridiculous.
Anyway, I’ve done as you’ve asked and explained what you’re wrong about. What you should do is examine why your posts give that impression, decide whether that’s the impression you want to give - which I do actually doubt - and then work on fixing your bias.
Come back when you’ve done that.
Meh, it was a response to someone who was already trolling and was mod noted for it.