I would disagree with the proposition that one should only look to punish the perpetrators of ‘hate-crimes’ while ignoring the given reasons. Surely hateful bigots have reasons for their behaviour, even if they are based on distorted thinking. If violent tribal behaviour is based on ignorance and misinformation (as well as, no doubt, some inherrent animal bloodlust) then it makes sense to address these misconceptions as part of the solution.
I don’t think Asians call the Chinese “Asian Jews.” Not in East Asia, anyway. There really isn’t much of a Jewish stereotype for the phrase to have any meaning. And while there is the stereotype that Chinese people are “cheap,” they really have nothing else in common with the typical Jewish stereotype.
Aw…I came late to the party and he already changed his page. Now I’ll never know The Truth.
Well, I didn’t say you ignore their individual pathology, just that you shouldn’t ascribe their pathological worldview to their target as if it was reality.
Yes, but I don’t think that’s what our guest was suggesting. He didn’t seem to be saying that the Nazis fucked up and slandered the Jews, but that they overreacted because of how evil the Jews were.
To me, the difference is between: “Let’s understand the roots of antisemitism and why bigots are so irrational and hate filled.” and “Let’s look at what the Jews did to make people hate them so much.” The latter is, unfortunately, disturbingly common among bigots. Hang around dark corners of the 'net long enough, and you’re bound to hear arguments like “The Germans were a rational people, so what did the Jews do to piss them off so much?” or “The Jews have been persecuted everywhere they’ve settled down, what did the Jews do to make everybody hate them?”
I don’t think our guest was addressing misconceptions, but saying that they weren’t misconceptions.
If you’re really curious, I had the original page open before he changed it, and saved the images to my computer. If you really want I can email them to you… but there’s not much to it other than paranoid conspiracy ranting. In a nutshell, the Jews control the world, they killed Jesus because he tried to interfere with their business practices, they control the United States by giving orders to the CIA, etc…
Indeed, agreed.
Oh, so nothing new then. Carry on.
My favorite part was the image mentioning the “Teen Commandments”. I’d love to have seen that list!
- Thou shalt tell thy parents that they are hated and despised, and they are probably not your real parents in any case.
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Actually - and it is a total hijack of this most amusing thread - from an anthropological perspective, when I was in Indonesia I was somewhat struck by the fact that the Chinese minority there seemed to occupy a societal “niche” very similar to that occupied by Jews in Eastern Europe prior to WW2 (my own ancestory on my mother’s side were Eastern European Jews).
That is, they performed many of the stereotypical “middle class” type functions in a largely agrarian peasant society, and were widely disliked by the majority - and the subject of periodic pogroms. The terms of dislike used against the Chinese (as I heard them from Indonesians) were eerily similar to those used against Jews, in my opinion - that they controlled all the money, that they were clannish and secretive, that they were engaged in conspiracies against Indonesians, etc.
I’m tired of these conspiracies involving the “rich elite” and such? Can’t we blame the starving children in Africa and Inuit children for once?
Anyway… I’m nearly certain (qand by nearly I mean "absolutely barring the really really really off-chance we are) we’re NOT being controlled by the rich elite, governmental maniacs, dolphins that have evolved opposible thumbs or anything of the sort.
Well, like I said, I only know about what it’s like in Korea and Japan. There, the Chinese stereotype is that they are loud, poor, cheap, dirty, and will eat anything that moves except for their parents. I didn’t know they had that kind of image in Indonesia. That’s actually quite interesting.
My (rather irrelevant) point was more about the term “Asian Jews”; you ask an (East) Asian person what the stereotypical image of a Jew is, and they’ll probably give you a blank look. I’ve never heard the term “Asian Jew” being used by an Asian, although admittedly my knowledge is again limited to East Asia.
As many people here know, I am a Master Mason, 32nd degree Scottish Rite (Southern Jurisdiction) and I am here to officially say that everything you believe is wrong. Forget you ever heard it. It’s those jerks in the Trilateral Commission trying to give everyone else a bad name.
And there is no 17/23 correlation!
Nicely done. Any chance you could do the same trick for the actual posts?
Most people who are new to the English language learn the basics first and then they learn to use English idioms – the unique phrasing of our language. If oestert is to be believed, he used idiomatic English before he knew the basics.
For example, he used
“I stumbled across this article” instead of “I found this article.”
“I believe the individual Hit the Nail 100% on the Head!” instead of “I believe the individual is completely right.”
“if I am only 50% on the right track this would make big waves!” instead of “If I am only half right in my conclusions, this would be very important.”
“and the ones “The Elite” running the show are very smart!” instead of “And ‘The Elite’ in control are very smart!”
Before I consider the value of your arguments about Jews, oestert, you will have to convince me that your posts here have integrity.
Indeed, this is partially what led to the Malay riots and attacks against the Chinese population in the 1960s.
There is a stereotype I heard from several Hong Kong Chinese people, that in any new overseas market, the first people to arrive are always the Chinese and the Jews. This is because the two cultures share a daring, entrepreneurial mercantile spirit, profit motive, and are not afraid to work hard. (This was given as the reason for the popularity of Mah Jongg amongst American Jewish families.) No idea if this is true or not, but from the evidence of one’s eyes, it’s not incorrect to say that Chinese merchants really are prominent in new markets.
Wasn’'t that an early '60s beach movie with Annette Funicello and Vincent Price?
Good points all.
A Japanese fellow once told me (again this is an aside, but more interesting than the looney tunes OP), that some Japanese people had heard of the notion of an “international Jewish conspiracy”, and being wholly ignorant of the cultural context and the subtext (that you were supposed to hate and fear Jews if you believed this) actually found the notion at the same time frightening and somewhat admirable - in spite of the fact that there are, in effect, no (or very few) Jews in Japan. 
Edit: check this out. Wierd! The Japanese and the Jews by Daniel L. Alexander | Articles | First Things
On the Mah Jongg thing … I can confirm that. My mom plays with her (elderly Jewish matron) friends.
I was walking up near Bathurst & Eglington (a Jewish area in Toronto) and I walked by a “Judeica” store, which is filled with Jewish-themed stuff (menorahs, kippahs, etc.). They had a whole table display of Mah Jongg. :eek:
In fact, Jewish and Chinese cultures have lots in common:
- high respect for learning is traditional
- focus on the family
- use a truly ancient language
- culture focuses on everyday living, not on theology
- funny eating habits
- traditional entreprenureal spirit
- plays Mah Jongg (
)
I for one, am looking forward to being ruled by a dirty Jew. By that I mean Sarah Silverman… she’s Jewish, and very, very dirty 