Political Persuasion Poll for GD posters only

I know that we have done political compass threads before and that the SDMB leans left (in the US right/left divide), but I have been questioning lately how accurate these polls are. We continually have the meme that conservatives are a rare breed here (which, maybe they are), but it seems to me that it is not so big a gap in Great Debates as some believe. I have the (unsupported) feeling that a lot of the liberals left during the SD diaspora last year and went to other boards while the conservatives mostly stayed (it’s hard for them to change ;)). I also have the feeling that the conservatives on this board are more likely to participate in Great Debates than their more liberal counterparts. Anyway, I just want to test my theory.

Please don’t reply to this unless you have participated in at least one political thread in Great Debates. I am making this poll public.

For myself, I think I am actually pretty conservative, but I listed myself as a moderate liberal. I don’t think there has been much of value coming from the Republican Party these days, though I am a free-market economic conservative and a die-hard Civil Libertarian. If they would put their money where there mouth is with regards to fiscal responsibility and put down the Bible, I might vote Republican, but I doubt that will ever happen.

Not that I’m calling you a moron, but I don’t really fit into any of those categories. I don’t really vote for any party, in general, though I did vote Democrat in the last presidential election. I’d say I’m a moderate centrist with libertarian leanings, generally left leaning on social issues and centrist/right leaning on economic ones. You should give the option for a third party viewpoint though, since I think that a lot of posters on this board may vote Democrat (or, less likely Republican) sometimes, but sometimes choose none of the above.

-XT

I don’t know if I qualify to vote, and I’m not sure I can choose. I’m a moderate conservative socially, but I tend to favor more liberal monetary policies. So, while I guess that makes me a Centrist, I’m not sure which direction I lean.

To be more precise: I’d rather vote for a slight conservative all else being equal. But I would not vote for a Republican unless I was sure he wasn’t the lying sack of dung I’ve seen from their party lately.

I’m a generally a conservative on economic affairs, a liberal on social affairs and a homicidal psychopath on foreign affairs.
I picked Centrist.

I don’t pay much attention to political parties. My opinions on “hott button” issues, while they seem perfectly consistent to me, are all over the board politically. That said, in recent elections I’ve voted for more Democrats than Republicans, so I voted for left-leaning centrist.

eta: BigT! We might be soulmates!

Are us foreigners allowed to vote in this poll?

As an aside, I think it would have been more interesting to see a conservative/liberal (for the US interpretation of the word “liberal”) split poll on social and economic issues instead of a straight conservative/democrat choice.

Although I live in the US, I’m a foreigner, and none of the answers fit me. If I did have the vote here, I’d probably vote Green a lot of the time – though I’d have voted for Gore, Kerry and Obama for President.

And I have belonged to a political party for over 30 years, so I can describe my political position pretty accurately: it’s left-wing Australian Labor Party.

Yeah, I don’t really fit into it either, but I can guess where I would be put if you asked some people on this board. This is the data that I am trying to get to: what would you be categorized as in the argument that Liberals rule this board and Conservatives are an oppressed minority? I didn’t really phrase it well, but c’est la vie.

Anyway, it does look like liberals do substantially outnumber conservatives in GD, at least so far. I really thought it would be more equal.

bolding mine You just skewed the results. Your categories say Liberal or Conservative but the definitions specify the parties. You said that because you don’t agree with Republicans you are a liberal however you specifically state that you are conservative.

I am conservative in some areas, moderate in others, liberal in a few. While I like many of the ideas of what the Republicans used to claim to be (stronger America, laissez-faire economics, smaller federal government) I don’t see them sticking to their guns. I also don’t like their views on gay marriage and the religious nuts scare the crap out of me. On the other hand, Democrats seem far too eager to take my money and spread it around and look like they just want everyone to like them by giving everything away and kiss the asses of the rest of the world. I ultimately had to choose centrist/right.

This poll is faulty. Eliminate the party affiliation and leave it as a conservative/moderate/liberal poll. It will need to be subdivided by the various categories:
Fiscal (money policy)
Social (gay rights, abortion, race issues)
Defense (terrorism, military involvement)
International relations (working with UN)
…and whatever other categories should be added. I’ve never made a poll before so I won’t even attempt it.

BTW, 24 responses to the poll so far and almost 71% are on the left side of the aisle. This is not a slight lean. If this was the Poseidon we’d be ready to tip over. Can’t wait to see how this one ends up.

Sigh… I voted before I read the “Please don’t reply to this unless you have participated in at least one political thread in Great Debates” part. Subtract one vote from “centrist, left leaning” option.

The poll options do make voting difficult. I’m another one of those “civil libertarian, fiscal conservative/center-right” types, which really isn’t the Democratic Party in any meaningful sense, but I generally vote Democrat (or sometimes Libertarian) because the Republican platform is just fucking toxic on almost every level. So, “moderate liberal” it is.

ETA: Which, actually, isn’t all that bad. If you ask me: “Liberal or conservative?”, I’ll answer “liberal” without thinking twice.

This is not surprising: the SDMB is generally accepted to lean to the left of the centre of US politics, even leaving out us foreigners who are generally even further to the left. But what’s nice about this board is that most, left or right, debate rationally and fairly. (Not that there aren’t a few hotheads on both sides of the aisle). This is unusual on the 'Net.

Well, hell. Should I restart this poll?

How about:

In the great SDMB left/right split that gets complained about in Great Debates so often (see here for instance), where do you fall in the spectrum?

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[li]Clothahump[/li][li]Hard Right[/li][li]I can play both sides, but mostly right[/li][li]I don’t really play at all[/li][li]I can play both sides, but mostly left[/li][li]Hard Left[/li][*]Der Trihs[/ul]

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Well, hell. Should I restart this poll?

How about:

In the great SDMB left/right split that gets complained about in Great Debates so often (see here for instance), where do you fall in the spectrum?

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[li]Clothahump[/li][li]Hard Right[/li][li]I can play both sides, but mostly right[/li][li]I don’t really play at all[/li][li]I can play both sides, but mostly left[/li][li]Hard Left[/li][li]Der Trihs[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

I would be fine with a do-over of the poll, but as I already posted (and Slypork at least seems to agree with me), in order to get any insightful results it needs to be split up in at least 2 categories: social and fiscal, and I think it’s useful to include Slypork’s other 2 suggested categories too.

And it would be helpful if it didn’t directly refer to US politics only. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only foreigner in GD, but I do have specific preferences in all these issues. ETA: For that reason, I would prefer to restate the spectrum as conservative / liberal.

Sorry, but that’s a poor set of choices, and I couldn’t answer any one of them. There’s no room on there for a libertarian or classical liberal.

Here’s a better set

( ) Anarchist - I don’t want anyone telling me what to do, period. There should be no government at all. People can sort out their own affairs, and they can hire their own police and military if they think they need it.

( ) Libertarian - I think government should be as small as possible while still providing basic services and ensuring the peace, a consistent legal framework, and providing for the common defense. In short, it should do the absolute minimum required to provide for a stable, peaceful, civil society. It can raise tax money to provide for those basic services, but should otherwise stay out of my finances AND my bedroom.

( ) Republican-Conservative - I believe in the basic planks of the Republican party. Strong families, strong defense, and moderately sized government that keeps civil order and provides the basics for people who need it. It should also provide a moral framework and support traditional institutions. The core of civic life should be the family, then the local community, then the state. Religion is a strong force for good in organizing local communities. The government should also pass certain laws to protect the sanctity of life, such as prohibiting abortion.
( ) **Moderate Republican **- I generally believe in fiscal conservatism, but I also think government has a modest role to play providing health care, environmental regulation and other social goods where the market isn’t providing it. I generally support business, but I think government can be a force for good in some circumstances and that business needs to be regulated to be most effective at providing what society needs. I am generally skeptical of labor unions, but recognize the need for them. However, the needs of business must be weighed against them.

( ) Moderate Democrat - I generally believe that government is a force for good, and that businesses need strong regulation. I believe that the government should spend more money, even if it needs to borrow it, to provide a Keynesian jolt to a bad economy. I support labor unions and think they are generally a force for good, although they need the same kind of controls as business if they go too far. I support affirmative action and welfare programs, but agreed with the Clinton Administration’s welfare reforms because even good programs can get out of control without the right set of checks and balances.

( ) Liberal Democrat - I strongly support labor on most issues. I believe government should run health care, and that in general large businesses and corporations are untrustworthy and need to be strongly regulated and controlled to keep them from running rampant over workers and the public. I believe in strong environmental controls, and in general I believe in an activist government that should seek to correct injustices in society, from discrimination to wealth inequality. However, I still believe that the free market, suitably regulated, is probably the correct way to organize an economy. I just want to make sure that the government is there to make it fair and to keep the excesses of business in its place.

( ) Socialist/Social Democrat - I believe the government should be the main organizing force in our society. I do not trust corporations and big business, and in general would prefer that the government nationalize the core infrastructure or strongly regulate it. I do not believe that excess profits should go to business people, but instead are a social surplus that belongs to the entire country and should be distributed fairly. I believe that there should be a fairly narrow gap between the most highly paid and the lowest paid, to be enforced by government if necessary. I believe this because I believe that the wealthy get that way on the backs of the poor, and that everyone in society should be treated as equally as possible, including giving each of them an equivalent share of the nation’s wealth. However, I still believe in private ownership of the means of production in general - preferably smaller businesses with am ethic of strong social responsibility.

( ) Communist - I want the state to run everything, because scientific planning of production and resource allocation is preferable to the chaos of the market.

Superfluous Parentheses and Sam Stone, I completely agree the choices are bad and I think I will do a do over poll. But I don’t think the changes you suggested get to the heart of the matter.

My thesis: The complaint from conservatives on this board that they are oppressed, harassed and greatly outnumbered by the liberals is greatly overstated, especially if you only focus on Great Debates where it counts.

What I am trying to measure: If people could self select which side they are on in this “SDMB Great Debates culture war”, where would they fit.

Basically, I want to know if conservatives on this board are really oppressed, harassed, and greatly outnumbered in Great Debates. Personally, I think they are not, I think they are a bunch of whiners. :smiley: No, seriously, I believe a bunch of liberals have left the board and that the conservatives post more often than liberals in GD. I could be way off base here, but a measurement of how out-numbered our conservative brethren are would be nice.

You did a good job on this, pretty well balanced.

Just to point out the differences between the terms in the US and over here (the Netherlands), the Social Democrats (“Labour”) party over here fits in at about Moderate Democrat in Sam’s list (with the caveat that there is no popular party at all that doesn’t support government-sponsored health care), while the Socialist Party fits in at about the Liberal Democrat/Social Democrat in that list.

Actually, that’s pretty strange. I have to think about this.

Any list like this will have limits. I was trying to define sort of a ‘core philosophy of government’ for each of the subtypes, by showing examples of typical policies people in that category might support.

Of course, you can find ‘crunchy cons’ who are conservatives who also support strong environmental regulation. You can find conservatives like Bill Buckley who supported the deregulation of drugs, while Liberal Democrats like Al Gore heartily supported the drug war.

The list is a success if most people can read it and go, "Yeah, there are differences, but there’s no doubt that I slot in right about -here-.

A better system is something like Pournelle’s Political Spectrum, a 2-axis graph of political persuasion: Pournelle’s Political Spectrum. On the horizontal axis you have ‘attitude towards the state’, with total antipathy towards government on the left, and a belief in the essential desirability of a large state on the right. On the vertical axis, you have ‘rationality’, which is really to be seen more as "Belief in the ability of reason to solve problems. So, a Communist is a rational statist, who believes the state is supreme, but who believes it because he thinks this is a scientific viewpoint and that the evidence says that the state is the best actor when organizing society. On the other hand, the Nazis are on the bottom right - they are extreme statists, but because of pure state worship.

On the left side, you have anarchists as the anti-state ‘irrationalists’, who hate the state just because of what it is, and who don’t really care much beyond that. You have Objectivists in the top left, who also despise the state, but do so from a ‘rational’ standpoint, believing that it is a poor alternative to private organization.

This chart has the advantage of showing the relationship between Communists and Fascists, which the typical left-right political classification completely obscures.

3.5 x 3.5 / liberal democrat / yellow dog democrat / moderate liberal