Poll III

What am I selecting, my preference?

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” I forget what it even means or where it comes from, but it’s gotta be preferable to “may the force be with you.”

  2. I can not pretend to prefer any form of elvis. Gun to my head? I die.

  3. No experience with “whiter shade” so I can not choose.

  4. This is a hard one. Pass. Sorry, I know I’m wasting your time so far :slight_smile: I am loathe to pick “one nation under god” because I am not a fan of pretending God has anything to do with our nation. But I am loathe to pick “don’t tread on me” because the phrase connotes for me a certain sort of redneck-ism.

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!” In my head, customers have an uppance coming to them. Workstaff do not.

  6. Rule Britannia. Has more passion–more of a sense its saying something.

  7. Jimmy Carter. Seems less smarmy, more genuinely morally driven. I am giving my preference for a president. But this should be understood in light of the fact that I tend to decide on a candidate as though the office of President were fairly purely symbolic, because I never feel I have any reliable idea what a person is actually going to do once in office, but I often feel I have a reliable idea as to what the person will stand for in the eyes of the culture(s) regardless of their actions.

  8. Oxford or Cambridge – Tie.

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey – I should have paid attention when I read these in High School. But I didn’t.

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” – I think this one is true and the other false, so I choose this one. I think the other is false because I think fictional entities do not exist, yet have identities. (This is of course controversial. To say a little more: I think they have actual identities, but only fictional existence. If fictional existence is a genuine kind of existence, then I guess I would agree that a thing must exist before it can have an identity.)

  11. Ralph Waldo Emerson – but I’ve read very little of either.

  12. “Even the inner and sensible intuition…” (Kant)

or

“Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

They’ve both got something going for them. I can’t choose.

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes. I can imagine even enjoying it.

  2. Karate. In my head, Karate is much more clean than Judo, and there is less constant contact between the participants if I understand the differences between them correctly. These both appeal to me.

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline – don’t know

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely – Burns, don’t know why though. Interesting to think about though, thanks for bringing it up!

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela – don’t know enough about Mandela

  6. Rice or Pasta – Tie. (Rice: Nature’s Noodle.)

  7. Chili mustard and slaw. Don’t like slaw, but nevertheless, the chili and mustard make it no contest.

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?

It just depends on what you’re trying to do. (The two are often used to ask after the same thing anyway.)

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or “May the Force be with you”
    May the Force…because I don’t know what the first one means.

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis
    Slim Elvis…slightly less nauseating.

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon
    No idea

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God
    Don’t tread on me….The ‘under god’ part is the sticking point for me.

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!” or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”
    Prince Albert…the idea of a fly in your soup just gags me.

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance
    Rule Britannia…I just like the tune better.

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter
    Clinton…Carter is smarter but Clinton is cooler.

  8. Oxford or Cambridge
    Cambridge…just cause.

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey
    The Odyssey…less battle, more travel.

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”
    The latter…the former doesn’t make much sense to me.

  11. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson
    Poe…terrified me as a kid, but in a good way.

  12. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

“Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)
The latter…it’s shorter and clearer.

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps
    Bagpipes…I LIKE bagpipes.

  2. Judo or Karate
    Neither, I guess.

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline
    Ditto.

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely
    Mr. Burns…I hardly remember the Jetsons and I’m almost 50.

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela
    Mandela…Gandhi had some not-so-very nice personality quirks I hear.

  6. Rice or Pasta
    Pasta…rice is a little boring.

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw
    Neither. I don’t like tomatoes or slaw on anything,

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?
The how. If you know that, I think you can figure out the why.

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto”

  2. Slim Elvis
    less worse than the fat version

  3. The Dark Side of the Moon
    mmmm… 70’s headphone experiences

  4. Don’t Tread On Me

  5. “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”
    I love puns, even really old ones

  6. Rule Britannia
    To vote otherwise would be to reject my heritage, for better or worse

  7. Bill Clinton
    I like them both, but for different reasons

  8. Oxford
    my ancestors helped run the joint…

  9. The Odyssey

  10. “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”

  11. Edgar Alan Poe

  12. “Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

  13. Two minutes of stomach cramps

  14. Judo

  15. Patsy Cline
    I really don’t like either choice

  16. Mr. Burns

  17. Mahatma Gandhi
    mandela may have sold out on the diamond thing

  18. Pasta

  19. Chili mustard and slaw

Bonus Question: how
“Why” is just a way to make ourselves crazy.

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto”
    Or, “Klaatu barada cough cough cough

  2. Slim Elvis

  3. The Dark Side of the Moon

  4. Don’t Tread On Me
    DToM is a strong statement of intent to be free, while IGWT seems to just be hoping that everything turns out okay in the end.

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!”
    With the “Prince Albert” bit, one jackass goes out of his way to irritate an innocent person. The Prince Albert gag is also usually linked with crank calling, which I hate with a passion. With the “fly in the soup” bit, the waiter gets in one sarcastic remark, then goes and fixes the problem.

  6. Pomp and Circumstance

  7. Jimmy Carter

  8. Oxford

  9. The Odyssey

  10. “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”

  11. Edgar Alan Poe

  12. (Kant)

  13. Twenty minutes of bagpipes
    Stomach cramps are nasty. I’d rather plug my ears.

  14. Karate
    I took karate when I was younger. It taught me how to count in Japanese. Each Nissan Cheeto go row…

  15. Bing Crosby

  16. Mr. Burns
    Mr. Spacely seemed focused on his sprocket empire, but there was never time for dancing with his sprockets. Burns at least branched out into various enterprises, like airplane manufacturing, casinos, slurry…

  17. Mahatma Gandhi

  18. Pasta

  19. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise

Bonus Question: Which is more important - how or why?
Why.

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or “May the Force be with you”
    Force

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis
    Slim

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon
    Dark

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God
    Don’t Tread

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!” or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”
    Fly

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance
    Pomp

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter
    Carter

  8. Oxford or Cambridge
    Cambridge

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey
    Odyssey

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”
    Must exist to have an identity

  11. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson
    Poe

  12. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

“Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

The bottom one. I can’t make heads nor tails outta the top one.

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps
    Bagpipes

  2. Judo or Karate
    Karate

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline
    Patsy

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely
    Burns

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela
    Gandhi

  6. Rice or Pasta
    Pasta

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw
    Lettuce, tomato and mayo

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?
Why

  1. May the force be with you. (or, if I’m working, May the flop be with you)
  2. Slim Elvis
  3. Whiter Shade of Pale
  4. Don’t tread on me (Although I prefer United We Stand)
  5. Do you have prince albert in a can?
  6. Rule Britannia (prefer Pax Romana or whatever)
  7. Jimmy Carter
  8. Oxford (dictionary, yay!)
  9. The Odyssey
  10. A thing must exist before it can have an identity
  11. Poe
  12. Somthing unknown, not that I know what either are talking about
  13. Twenty minutes of bagpipes
  14. Karate
  15. Patsy Cline
  16. Mr. Spacely
  17. Mahatma Gandhi
  18. Rice
  19. Lettuce, Tomato and Mayo
    Bonus: Why?

My choices in bold.

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  1. "Klaatu barada nikto" or “May the Force be with you”

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God

  5. "Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!" or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter

  8. Oxford or Cambridge

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey

  10. "A thing must have an identity before it can exist" or “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”

  11. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson

  12. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

"Something unknown is doing we don’t know what." (Eddington)

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps

  2. Judo or Karate

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela

  6. Rice or Pasta

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?

Regards,
Shodan

  1. “May the Force be with you”

  2. Slim Elvis

  3. The Dark Side of the Moon

  4. One Nation Under God

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!”

  6. Pomp and Circumstance

  7. Jimmy Carter

  8. Cambridge

  9. The Odyssey

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist”

  11. Ralph Waldo Emerson

  12. “Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

  13. Two minutes of stomach cramps

  14. Karate

  15. Patsy Cline

  16. Mr. Burns

  17. Nelson Mandela

  18. Pasta

  19. Chili mustard and slaw

why

Klaatu Barada ni[cough cough ahem]
Slim Elvis.
Dark Side OTM
Don’t Tread on Me
Prince Albert
Pomp
Jimmy
Cambridge
Odyssey
“A thing must exist before it can have an identity”
Emerson
Kant
Bagpipes
Judo
Bing
Mr Burns
Nelson
Pasta
LTM
How.

  1. **“Klaatu barada nikto” **or “May the Force be with you”

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God

  5. "Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!" or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter

  8. Oxford or Cambridge

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or “A thing must exist before it can have an identity” - Mu

  11. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson

  12. "Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being." (Kant)

or

“Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps

  2. Judo or Karate

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela

  6. Rice or Pasta

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or “May the Force be with you” – Not a big Star Wars fan, but I don’t even know what the first one is.

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis – Better music, more classic period, and who wants to look at Fat Elvis?

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon – Neither/don’t care

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God – Neither; I don’t like the “under God” part, but “Don’t Tread on Me” strikes me as too aggressive

  5. “Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!” or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?” – No other reason than because I’m an Anglophile

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance – It’s rousing and pompous and classic, while P&C has just become a cliche

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter – He got re-elected!

  8. Oxford or Cambridge – It has a slightly higher cache, though it’s close.

  9. The Iliad or The Odyssey – I love road trips! :wink:

  10. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or "A thing must exist before it can have an identity"

  11. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson – I prefer narrative poems, and scary stories.

  12. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

"Something unknown is doing we don’t know what." (Eddington) – pithier

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps – And I used to live in Scotland!

  2. Judo or Karate – No other reason than because of “The Karate Kid” movies

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline – An underrated singer today, IMHO

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely – Burns is from a far better show. I had to think a few moments to even remember who Mr. Spacely was.

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela – A more mythic figure; the guy who started it all.

  6. Rice or Pasta – You can do more with rice. Rice pudding, fried rice, rice cakes, rice milk…

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw – ?

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why? How.

1.“May the Force be with you”

  1. Slim Elvis

  2. The Dark Side of the Moon

  3. Don’t Tread On Me

  4. “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  5. Pomp and Circumstance

  6. Bill Clinton

  7. Oxford

  8. The Odyssey

  9. “A thing must exist before it can have an identity”

  10. Ralph Waldo Emerson

  11. “Something unknown is doing we don’t know what.” (Eddington)

  12. Two minutes of stomach cramps

  13. Karate

  14. Patsy Cline

  15. Mr. Burns

  16. Mahatma Gandhi

  17. Pasta

  18. Chili mustard and slaw

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or "May the Force be with you"
    I have no idea what the first one means.

  2. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God
    I’m anti-doormat

  3. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance

  4. Oxford or Cambridge
    Mulder went to Oxford.

  5. The Iliad or The Odyssey

  6. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or "A thing must exist before it can have an identity"
    I suppose this depends on your idea of “exist” but given I’m inclined to interpret exist to mean “thought of” the other would be impossible.

  7. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson
    You can keep all your Romantic and Victorian poets :mad:

  8. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

"Something unknown is doing we don’t know what." (Eddington)

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps

  2. Judo or Karate

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely

  5. Rice or Pasta

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?
Most of the time the process is more important to me than the motivation.

  1. “May the Force be with you” A more inclusive way of articulating it.

  2. Fat Elvis, cause he kept trying, at atime when that fame was new.

3.The Dark Side of the Moon

  1. Don’t Tread On Me; like the snake

  2. “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  3. Pomp and Circumstance, even though it’s dull

  4. Bill Clinton

  5. Cambridge

  6. The Odyssey

  7. "A thing must exist before it can have an identity"Hard call, though.

  8. Ralph Waldo Emerson; he led me to many other good minds at 12 years old

  9. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

  10. Twenty minutes of bagpipes

  11. Judo

  12. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline; damn, I can’t choose here—love Patsy Cline To Pieces, but Bing Crosby was present at my birth, because his last son was born in the same hospital as I was, at the same time, and my Grandfather, present, was a career musician in Crosby’s band for decades, so they chatted at the display room and compared our newborn selves. You gotta give me a muy exceptional pass on that choice.

  13. Mr. Spacely; Gotta go with Sprockets

  14. Mahatma Gandhi; hard choice

  15. Rice; whole grain though

  16. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise —and slaw

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how , because then why becomes apparent

Now, #10 and 12 have me rather awry, ya awful fella, Liberal.

Pretty clear on the bagpipes and slaw, though.

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or "May the Force be with you"

2.** Slim Elvis** or Fat Elvis

  1. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon

  2. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God

  3. "Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!" or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?”

  4. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance

  5. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter

  6. Oxford or Cambridge

  7. The Iliad or The Odyssey

  8. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or "A thing must exist before it can have an identity"

  9. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson

  10. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

"Something unknown is doing we don’t know what." (Eddington)

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps

  2. Judo or Karate

  3. Bing Crosby or Patsy Cline

  4. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely

  5. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela

  6. Rice or Pasta

  7. Lettuce tomato and mayonnaise or Chili mustard and slaw

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why?

  1. “Klaatu barada nikto” or “May the Force be with you” - One of the great sorrows of my life is that I haven’t yet managed to get to see The Day The World Stood Still, but until then I’ll have to go with my lifetime Star Wars fanhood.

  2. Slim Elvis or Fat Elvis - He sang better songs. It’s as simple as that.

  3. A Whiter Shade of Pale or The Dark Side of the Moon - Beautiful song.

  4. Don’t Tread On Me or One Nation Under God - I’m an antinationalist atheist, so this one was pretty easy.

  5. "Waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!" or “Do you have Prince Albert in a can?” - Far greater comedic possibilities. The latter was never funny.

  6. Rule Britannia or Pomp and Circumstance - OK, some nationalism is fun.

  7. Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter - Ooooh, difficult one. I really should study up on them before answering, but get real. I know less about Carter, but I like what he’s done after his presidency. The people with whom I share virtually no political views seem to hate them both, although I’ve noticed more unabashed vitriol in the case of Carter. And when he got a statue on Simpsons he was called one of history’s greatest monsters. Gotta go with Clinton. At least he was good with the ladies.

  8. The Iliad or The Odyssey - The child in me loves monsters and witches and wild adventures more than a bunch of guys with spears hitting each other.

  9. “A thing must have an identity before it can exist” or “A thing must exist before it can have an identity” - I find “identity” a suspect concept to start with. Existence, on the other hand, is clearly there.

  10. Edgar Alan Poe or Ralph Waldo Emerson - Few writers get my heart pounding like Poe.

  11. “Even the inner and sensible intuition of our mind (as object of consciousness) which is represented as being determined by the succession of different states in time, is not the self proper, as it exists in itself — that is, is not the transcendental subject — but only an appearance that has been given to the sensibility of this, to us unknown, being.” (Kant)

or

"Something unknown is doing we don’t know what." (Eddington) - Kant is full of crap.

  1. Twenty minutes of bagpipes or Two minutes of stomach cramps - I like bagpipes.

  2. Judo or Karate - Judo is more boring and completely ruins multi-discipline tournaments, but it’s just more useful.

  3. Mr. Burns or Mr. Spacely - Simpsons is fun, Jetsons isn’t.

  4. Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela - Gandhi is severely overrated, and slept with virgins!

  5. Rice or Pasta - No good motivation here, just personal taste.

Bonus Question: Which is more important — how or why? - Often, there is no “why”, and when there is, it often isn’t relevant.

Poll closed. Thanks to everyone who participated.

So, when do we find out what this is about?

See the OP. :slight_smile: