She wanted a divorce, he didn’t. Not until he realized how conniving she was.
He was shocked when she opted for kun ut kalifee. Even in a proper state of mind, not going through with the marriage would never have occurred to him.
She wanted a divorce, he didn’t. Not until he realized how conniving she was.
He was shocked when she opted for kun ut kalifee. Even in a proper state of mind, not going through with the marriage would never have occurred to him.
As for the pon farr, while it does affect both sexes, the male Vulcan, at least, can activate a pon-farr-like condition in a woman. Vorik does this with the half-human half-Klingon B’Elanna Torres. If this goes both ways, then both could be satisfied even if their pon farrs do not align. (And, depending on how it works, maybe they would synchronize.)
Personally, since it’s clearly an arranged marriage situation, I always assumed that Vulcans were matched up with a mate that would have pon farr at the same time. That would add some logic to the system, without it having to be about some sort of political alliance or anything. Even if it’s technically unnecessary due to the above, I could see the logic in it. Especially if they don’t synchronize, meaning having them at the same time would allow only one forced mating instead of two.
Sure, the ritual itself must’ve come from pre-logic Vulcan, but I could see the institutions modified to work. And there being pushed some idea that rejecting the tradition when you don’t have to is illogical. Vulcans aren’t so much purely logical as much as having a value system centered around logic. It’s not above them to rationalize.
To me, that always translated to:
Amanda: “Sarek, sit down… There’s something I need to tell you… I’m… Uh… Well, I don’t know how else to tell you this so I’m just going to come right out and say it: I’m pregnant.”
Sarek: “You’re what? You’re pregnant?.. But, but, we used space condoms! We were totally safe! How did this happen? (Sigh) Well… guess we better get married.”
Hmmmm … I always thought Spock was something of a test-tube baby… :dubious:
I’ve seen this in a fanzine somewhere: “How Sarek and Amanda Came to Be Wed”
Sarek: “You’re What?!?”
After googling: Apparently this is the opening of Ruth Berman’s “At the time, it seemed the logical thing to do”
I don’t buy that. He may have himself refused to engage in it, but a logical Spock would have noticed the possibility of just having sex with someone else. Exploring the possibilities is an intrinsic part of logical decision making. So he would not have presented it to Kirk as if he was going to die if he didn’t get back to Vulcan.
Just like I think a logical Spock would have noticed the possibility of kun ut kalifee, even if he thought she was unlikely to engage in it. He’d just assign it a low percentage of happening.
And, yes, I know that Spock had no desire for a divorce. My point was just that even T’Pring honored the traditions. She still felt she had to attend. Just like Spock felt he had to deal with his pon farr in the culturally appropriate manner. I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just adding to what you said.
The point was to show how strong said traditions are, when even the woman who rejected them and picked her own lover would feel the need to stick with them.
Fer sure, there were a lot of possibilities he could have explored with Nurse Chapel!
Can’t live with 'em… Pass the beer nuts!
In earlier Trek, that could make sense. But we’re now privy to way too many accidental interspecies pregnancies to presume test tubes are necessary. (It’s hinted at in TNG with Worf and Alexander, but you could argue that she was still half Klingon. But it’s very clear with Voyager and Naomi Wildman.)
I’ve always assumed that there was some pon farr where Sarek and Amanda were basically forced together. And then it seemed logical to get married. Whether that was because of a pregnancy or not, I think it still works.
T’Pring didn’t reject tradition by picking her own lover. The ritual of kun ut kalifee requires the Vulcan woman to pick a lover first. Otherwise there’s no one who would fight for her. The non-traditional part was when she picked Kirk instead of Stonn.
How is Naomi Wildman an accidental baby? I thought her mother had the procedure done before Voyager was lost, I thought it was a surprise pregnancy only in the sense procedure wasn’t 100%.
As an aside, it’s always fun for me when I re-watch something and recognize an actor from something else I just watched. In this case, I realized that Stonn was not only in Balance of Terror, but he was also one of the POWs in The Great Escape.
T’Pring was Arlene Martel, who also played Consuelo in the classic Outer Limits episode Demon With a Glass Hand. Had a lot of one-episode roles in '60s, '70s, '80s TV. Not always easy to recognize her; she used a few different screen names and could really disappear into a role.
Sarek had something to say on the subject.
At least two novels in the Star Trek extended universe deal with that subject. What made it the “logical thing to do” was that the two of them developed a relationship and were spending a lot of time together, so formalizing it seemed… well… the logical thing to do rather than continue maintaining two separate households and pretending they weren’t such good friends that they wanted to get intimate.
One of my favorite moments in the first reboot was when Sarek confided to Spock that he married Amanda because he loved her.
I’m not sitting through an entire hour of that to find what you reference. At what point does the Sarek thing come up?
I grew up with ST-TOS and even I never though that Vulcans only mated every seven years. From what I read they could “do it” at any time, but when pon farr hits you HAVE to. I figured it was an evolutionary/genetic relic from before the time Vulcans developed their stoic culture.
Remember “Journey to Babel”? Although he didn’t SAY it, I’m sure that’s what Sarek meant.
Amanda: Logic, logic, I’m sick to death of your logic! Do you want to know what I think of your logic?
Spock(to Sarek): Emotional, isn’t she?
Sarek(replying to Spock): Indeed, she has always been that way.
Spock: Then why did you marry her?
Sarek: * At the time, it seemed the logical thing to do.*
Amanda starts to puff up in anger, then realizes, in as much as it’s possible for a Vulcan to do, she is being teased. She smiles and exchanges that two finger greeting with her husband.
Roddenbery created Surak and T’pau…
She was also “Tiger,” the French Resistance fighter on Hogan’s Heroes.