To my ear that’s the hungry I’m saying has the same sound as pedigree.
I honestly do not know what you mean when you keep saying there’s a difference.
To my ear that’s the hungry I’m saying has the same sound as pedigree.
I honestly do not know what you mean when you keep saying there’s a difference.
And in my country, tutor does not rhyme with tooter. It’s “tyootə”
Rather like the nooz - nyooz pair.
When I say it, I mean tomorrow. But, I think I am in the minority. I usually have to repeat to get it right.
I think you’re in the minority because when people mean tomorrow they say tomorrow. “Next” is an indication that the day is definitely *not *tomorrow.
The only real function of next is to make that distinction. That’s why there would be little confusion if on Tuesday you were to say “next Monday.” The function of next is to distinguish between tomorrow (Wednesday) or the day after tomorrow (Thursday) and those days in the following week. Note that there isn’t a common shorthand for the day after the day after tomorrow so any day after the second day should be interpreted as the “next” one.
The confusion really arises from people who don’t understand this. If you were to say “next Friday” on Tuesday that should indicate the Friday of the same week, rather than the Friday of the following week. But confusion does arise because no firm agreement about usage has taken hold.
We need to blame someone, so why not you? Recant, and spread the word.
Nobody does. He thinks that if he just keeps repeating himself, we’ll eventually agreeee with him.
No, where I am from, if it is Tuesday and I say “See you on Friday”, that clearly means three days hence, but if I say “See you next Friday”, it is almost always ten days hence. If I say “See you on Monday” or “See you next Monday”, it typically means the same thing, because it is the following week, but, in general, “next” almost always means more than four days from now. “See you next Tuesday”, well, that can be a bit rude.
So, on Monday, if I say
“See you Wednesday”, that means two days later.
“See you this Wednesday”, that means two days later.
“See you next Wednesday”, that means nine days later.
But if I say
“See you Thursday”, that’s three days later.
“See you this Thursday”, that’s three days later.
and
“See you next Thursday”, that also means three days later?
That is crazy talk! :dubious:
Clearly, “next” should differentiate from “this”. If “this” is the soonest-to-come day, then “next” is the one after that.
And is biweekly every two weeks, or twice a week?
Every two weeks is ludicrous, fortnightly is already a better term for that.
One dictionary I have reasons that “bi-” means “two of” – bicycle has 2 wheels, binary has two states, bicuspid has two points; hence bi-<time period> should mean two of <time period> (biweekly = fortnightly); the preferred prefix for twice in a time period, it says, is “semi-”.
But, “semiweekly”? “Semimonthly”? No thank you, that just sounds awkward and silly to describe a bifurcation of a time period.
How good are you at monosyllabic words? Bilbo’s praise utterance during his farewell party had only one word longer than one syllable.
“I do not know half of you half as much as I should like. And I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
Thus a fortnight (really “fourteen nights”)
I should note that semimonthly and biweekly are far from the same time division BTW. One is 14 days and the other is 24 periods in a year. If you use both to mean the same thing you will by off by a fortnight per year.
Here is something interesting about English, we lack a gender neutral pronoun in the modern form of the language due to the same behavior that was responsible for many of the complaints about vulgar latin. The tendency of people to drop the h in words.
Historically they would have been:
Male, Female, neuter
him, her, hit
But “hit” lost the “h” and became “it” which then grew to be considered wrong when used to refer to humans, human babies, and animals.
No, I’m not–I am not fucking demanding that you agree with me. I’m not so stupid that I don’t realize that there are different pronunciations in different regions. All I’m saying is that the pronunciations I am familiar with are, in fact, different,and that will remain a fact no matter how much you don’t agree with it.
Okay, having had a chance to listen to the wiki samples, pedigree (and the other examples I gave) definitely end with the “front, close” upper-left “i”, but none of them closely match the angry/hungry sound, with the closest being probably the “close, central” “ɨ”, third from the left on the top row (but it is stretched out 2 or 3 times too long.)
It took 4 pages and wading through a sea of rhyming nonsense before I finally found something I didn’t actually know. It makes so much sense now!
Hungry/angry is not an “eww” sound. Not in any accent I’ve ever heard in my life. We understand that accents exist as well as you do. It remains a fact that the sounds you point to as examples do not correspond to what we hear.
Have you ever said where you lived and what form of accent you have?
Yes, I said that nothing matched, but that was the closest non-match. I’ll make this one last post, then drop this extreme thread hijacking (sorry, OP!)
I posted this link before–it is exactly how I hear the word “pedigree.” I just thought of this reference–it is exactly how I hear the word “angry.” You can rest assured that, when I’m talking about the pronunciation of either word, I’m talking about those pronunciations. Those end sounds are not the same to me. They may be the same to your ear. They may be to the ears of everyone else reading this thread. But they are not to mine.
The vowel sound at the end of that word is IPA /i/. When I say angry/hungry/tree/pedigree, they all end with that sound.
Aha! That is a different sound. To my ear, that sounds like /ɪ/. My dictionary lists /ˈæŋɡrɪ/ as the British pronunciation of angry.
Are you perhaps British, or from somewhere with a somewhat British-sounding dialect?
No, I’m from South Carolina, but I believe my accent is very strongly influenced by television, including large amounts of PBS and an interest in the national news as a child, so think influence by Walter Cronkite and Roger Mudd an the like.