Ronald
No. I think standard of living is a very reasonable measure of a politician’s effectiveness. I don’t believe, however, that the amount of your money a politician spends is a measure of living standards. That would require an incredible leap for me to believe that gov’t spending equates quality of life. Like I said, it’s absurd.
guys…guys…guys…
(and girls…)
C’mon, this is the pit. That was just the forward I had in my mail box right after I read Espix’s post.
If there is one place this year where negative campaigning is OK, it’s here, in the pit.
(smiling as I type)
You are correct Freedom. Fuck those gun-grabbing, tax and spend, big government, perennially-indignant, I-feel-your-pain, life-sucks, whiney-ass, liberal friggin’ Democrats.
Now that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time!
Esprix, who appreciates the chuckle
Freedom, my name has an “r” in it. As in, “Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, matey!”
Esprix, nitpicky bitch that I am
Hey Kepi, I love you.
Freedom:
Not necessarily. You can also join the VRWC with an NRA card or proof that your car radio is tuned to a station that carries Rush.
I have a proposal. I want to see SingleDad and RTF in a bar drinking and debating with Unca’Beer and Freedom.
I’ll referee. And buy the pitchers.
-andros-
I’m in. Do we have to stick to politics or does anything go?
How 'bout some nice psuedoscience and fortune telling? I was arguing with someone about that just last night. It ended with me being called racist for having the audacity to suggest that “faith” and “prejudice” are equivalent.
Well, first you would have to show me that UncleBeer and Freedom are capable of debating and not just yelling conservative slogans at the top of their lungs. 
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I was going to make a scorching reply, Dad, but I figgered that’d just help prove your point. Instead, I’ll just point you towards the top of this thread, specifically, my post of 4/4/00 at 3:44pm. It looks pretty calm and rational to me. In fact, it was the first reasonable post in this thread.
Now, put that tongue back in yer mouth. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Fuck the gun-grabbers.
Are there going to be tickets sold for this get-together. If so, can we start cheering sections, bring signs, etc?
Heck, maybe we could hop in when the participants break to down a drink or two.
We went right out there and refused to do accoustical versions of the electrical songs that we had refused to record in the first place.
Well, it’s been about 90 minutes. I think it’s time for another “conservative slogan.”
“Kill a Democrat, abort your fetus.”
While trying to work some sense out of your “conservative slogan” up there, Unc, I began to wonder whther abortion could be protested as a form of genocide, since the people who have abortions are all left-wing tree-hugging Democrats rather than God-fearing conservative Republicans, and are therefore not passing on their left-wing tree-hugging Democratic genes…
Uke
Preach on, brother man! Testify!
And can I be an alternate on the conservative side? I could carry their stuff and make sure they keep their drinks on the coasters…I promise I won’t be too much trouble, honest I won’t.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.” -Winston Churchill
OK, so we’ve got Mullinator graciously volunteering to chair the concessions committee (heh heh). Thanks, Mull. Did you want to get in as an alternate too, or just do some sideline debating?
Beer, will you accept young master Rousseau as your second?
Hmmm. Maybe we should do multiple weight classes?. . .
-andros-
Oh sure. Start without me.
Who was the one who called potential Gore-voters “chronic-halitosis-suffering mental defectives,” long before in was en vogue in this thread …?
“We are here for this – to make mistakes and to correct ourselves, to withstand the blows and to hand them out.” Primo Levi
Unc, you of all people shouldn’t be surprised that the Dems judge a leader’s effectiveness by the amount of money they spend, or judge quality of life based on the same thing.
Democrats want to make everybody happy, by starting big, fat new programs and spending tax dollars to fix society’s ills. (Did you see Clinton’s State of the Union speech this year? Was there anyone he didn’t promise money to?)
Republicans want to make everybody happy by giving them more of **their own money that THEY earned ** back to them, to spend or save as they see fit.
As a pragmatist, which makes more sense?
That said, I’ll never be able to wear the label of a Rush Limbaugh Dittohead Ultra-Conservative, because I oppose the fact that many Right-Wingers want to impose their morality on people, not following their own fiscal policy lead, where they generally trust people to make their own decisions.
“We are here for this – to make mistakes and to correct ourselves, to withstand the blows and to hand them out.” Primo Levi
Man, the best offer I ever had on the net, and I get here a day late.
Name the city, and I’ll be there. 
Milo, are you a P.J. O’Rourke fan? Your last statement seems to indicate that you are. I’d also be proud to call myself a hard-core ultra-conservative, but I have the same problems you do with the Dittoheads. Plus, I happen to be an atheist, or something like that. I just can’t stomach the santimonious so-called religious right.
Why, actually, I am a big PJ fan.
I think there are a lot of people out there that think like us. Maybe we should start our own party.
Republican Light?
(Who wouldn’t vote for somebody named Unclebeerfor God’s sake?)
A keg in every bathtub!
“We are here for this – to make mistakes and to correct ourselves, to withstand the blows and to hand them out.” Primo Levi
Throw one more supporter in for the Hard-Core-Republican-but-not-Christian-loony here.
Especially if we can get P.J. O’Rourke to run things. We’ll never really get anywhere, but it’ll be the best trip this country was ever on.
JMCJ
Give to Radiskull!