President Joe Biden and the runup to the 2024 election

How could he have prevented that?

What wars is the USA fighting?

The spectre of bad economy takes a while to go away, but it it, Biden is getting better and better in the polls, while the criminal prosecutions are losing votes for trump.

Yeah, the hardcore MAGA would celebrate trump killing someone in Times Square, but there are a lot on Indys, and they no longer like trump. They now know better.

The story I remember is there was a memo saying that Bin Laden was determined to strike the US, and as it was delivered to Bush, he is purported to have said “Ok, you’ve covered your ass”, and supposedly nothing was done to follow up on that memo.

Yeah, and we knew the Imperial Japanese were up to something before Pearl Harbor too. But no one though they would or even could hit Pearl.

I am sure Bush took normal precautions- which didnt work against something so very not normal.

Wait, who’s on cocaine, me or the rabid wolverine? Because I can assure you they are two entirely different experiences.

Well there was also the memo by the Project For a New American Century, which was comprised of a lot of conservative and Republican officials. The memo called for regime change in Iraq, and stated that we would need a Pearl Harbor type event to galvanize American support for the war. Maybe it’s coincidence. Maybe they just used 9/11 as that event, or maybe they just didn’t do much to stop it. I’m not a truther, but this memo came out way before 9/11 and the war in Iraq. It was all a little too on the nose for what those in power and their friends said needed to happen to ensure America remained top dog in the world for the 21st century.

Maybe both?

There’s no easy fix. The problem has been decades in the making with the Republican focus on undermining public education and creating handy scapegoats. It will take decades to reverse. But I do think it’s important for people to speak up, loudly and often, to point out the illogic and hypocrisy of these positions.

Example: I hear a lot of people, even on this board, bemoaning the fact of Biden’s age, as if that alone should be a basis to not vote for him. Really?

First, understand that this is a Republican talking point. It infects the national dialogue like a bad case of COVID.

I mean yeah, Biden is old. And that’s all. Unlike Trump, who is also old, he’s not mentally deficient, not corrupt, not a walking, talking crime machine, not a fascist and frankly, he’s done an amazing job in 3 short years in the face of relentless opposition. He’s smart, experienced and decent.

What’s wrong with people who are even questioning how best to use their vote? How do they defend their choice?

Either way you’ll both come out of it worse off.

Honestly, the rabid wolverines seemed pretty satisfied in both instances.

Wars don’t affect elections, not related to Trump. It would affect only primaries where say youg voters who are pro Palestine would get to have a say.

But the November election, no. Abortion yes.

Yeah, the Kremlin and the GOp are secretly pushing “old Joe” a lot. Of course the choice is “old fascist donald”.

Like trump is gonna put the lean on his buddy Netanyahu?

They have to understand the the President of the uSA cant demand a ceasefire.

Came to post the same thing. What two wars is the US participating in? How many US deaths involved in these two wars? What other countries have contributed to those two wars that the US is part of?

Can you imagine the outrage if the US hadn’t given money to either?

And of course there are quite a few young, poor liberals who are pro-palestine- sometimes taking it too far, IMHO.

But there are far more Jewish people who want the USA to support Israel. Many of whom donate heavily Blue.

No, not Trump. It was a hypothetical case where wars have an effect: both Democratic and GOP primary. But since we have no other candidate, anti-war voices from Democrats will not be heard. It’s a nothing issue compared to Trump, the only “issue” now.

Sure they will. The USA has no wars. We got out of our last one in the first part of Bidens term.

Voting against Biden to stop ‘the war’ is so insanely stupid and wrong headed it boggles me.

Yeah, me too.
It’s way too easy to imagine what the Russians will do in Ukraine and what Trump would probably allow, if not do, to ‘’‘support’‘’ Israel.
(Trump: You think you’ve seen violations of Human Rights? Hold my bottle of water (It’s too big for my hands!).

People keep talking about war as if it’s a bad thing…

Everything is a Republican talking point. I don’t give much of a crap about Biden’s age myself (a tiny bit of a crap, but only in the curiosity of succession-type stuff). But many, many younger progressives do care about elderly politicians and have been loudly saying so since well before this election because “fuck this trend of old white men running this country”. Old politicians generally really, who are perceived as refusing to make room for a younger generation (see until recently Pelosi, Nancy).

They’re not entirely wrong. Not entirely right, either IMHO. But there is something to be said about partially clearing out the old sclerotic arteries of political parties from time to time. So I’m kinda reluctant to shit on younger progressives that are legitimately impatient for change and are tired of waiting on elderly incumbents to move on. Even if the Republicans are making hay with the same talking points from a slightly different angle.

Of course at the end of the day I still expect people bitching about old white dudes in the White House to still come out and pragmatically vote for Biden. Because progressivism shouldn’t be part of a national suicide pact.

Who is not a male. And Obama was just recently the president, and he wasnt white or old.

Harris is not old nor white nor a dude.

The issue about this stupid bitching is that it just helps trump. It is attacks on Biden, and only Biden. Thus it has be to be squashed or we end up with an old white fascist man in the White House.

Someone remind me when was “fuck this trend of old (white) (men) running this country” not the status quo?
It ain’t a ‘’‘trend’‘’!

Bonus points for noticing that the old running this country has never been limited to “this country” for any example of ‘this country’!
I’m not at all reluctant to shit on younger progressives that are impatient for change and are tired of waiting on elderly incumbents to move on since I’m 60 and it’s ‘my’ fucking turn to ruin run this country.