The infighting is a big whatever. Once it’s done it’s done, and when it’s over only a fool would hold enough of a grudge to not support the Democratic candidate. Of course, if the Democrats actually had a legislative agenda they could stop trying to pick a star and get on with it.
Not that you would ever guess this from who makes the most noise.
This is extortion, and perfectly illustrates why the Bernie crowd makes me so angry. Gallup shows that most Democrats (never mind the independents we need to win) prefer that the party move to the right, but the minority who feels the opposite basically threatens to blow the whole thing up if they don’t get exactly their way. :mad:
“What do we want”"
“Justice and freedom!”
“When do we want it?”
“Well, pretty soon, if its not a lot of trouble…Don’t want to be all pushy, or anything…”
Passive-aggressive politics, without the aggression. Maybe if we ask real nicely, the evil men who run things will give us a turn.
I’m voting for who I think would be the best president. I voted for Hillary, and I will vote for whomever wins the primary. Don’t you go making those mean faces at me.
Bernie will support the next candidate if it’s not him.
Jesus. Half of these kids wouldn’t even be motivated to vote in the first place if it weren’t for him.
This isn’t the 90’s any more. I think, no matter what, there are going to be growing pains no matter what. But I think we need to reassess certain things that Bernie addresses.
This is what the left believes, because they cannot conceive (as Obama noted) that anyone might have a different conception of what “justice and freedom” mean. :rolleyes:
When you say “Progressives almost always run in solid blue districts” what you actually meant to say was “Justice Democrats ran in solid blue districts in 2017?”
Because once again its all about the spin. And you’ve been spinning this like a top.
I don’t need too. I haven’t claimed that they have.
Which is why Khanna and Ocasio-Cortez both lost. Obviously.
If you don’t want someone like Trump in the party then don’t vote for anyone like Trump. But having a strong social media reach is not like having Trump in the party. It isn’t even in the same ballpark. Or the same planet.
No, you’re not. Obviously. Apparently have a handful of progressives in Congress is better than having the Dems win both houses of Congress.
There were in districts so blue the Dems could have put forwards Bozo the clown. Who is dead.
…did having a handful of progressives in Congress stop the Dems from winning the House? If Joe Crowley had won, if Mike Honda had run uncontested, would the Dems have won the Senate? Can you quantify this somehow?
So they were the perfect districts for the Justice Democrats to begin their strategy of “electing better Democrats.” The people of New York’s 14th congressional district didn’t vote for Bozo the clown. They didn’t vote for Joe Crowley. The people voted for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She was the first to challenge Crowley since 2004. She beat him fair and square. I’m not seeing the problem. You haven’t explained what the problem is. Whats the problem?
If the Party had more money to spend on the Senate races…
Better?:dubious:
I have explained several times. Wasting time & energy in infighting among Dems rather than beatings Republicans.
…can you quantify this? How much more money would there have been to spend, when would that money have been available and would it have made a difference?
Nope.
I don’t think the process of choosing the best candidate to represent a district is a waste of time and energy. And I don’t think the primary process is correctly characterized as “infighting.” This is all entirely normal. The people of the 17th were given a choice and they made a choice. Whats the problem with that?
Its all about the spin with you. I’m still not seeing the problem.
I’m all for beating republicans. I’m not Bernie Or Bust. But I honestly don’t think old school Democrats are doing themselves any favors when they act as if they are entitled to the gig.
Having secret meetings about what to do about his candidacy, getting people to wage a campaign against him. The knowledge of the DNC trying to tip the scale… even if it came from the Ruskies, they got caught. People don’t trust the establishment, they don’t trust the media.
This is having the opposite effect than intended.
As it stands, Bernie has the best chance at beating Trump in my opinion.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Offhand I can think of one regular poster here who supported Bernie in the primaries and then voted Stein or didn’t vote in the general, and he gets all kinds of shit for it (as he should).
Thank you, Kimstu. Not for the first time, you have made the same point I made in the post I deleted, except without all the profanity and capital letters.
OK, getting off topic here, but if you consistently vote Democrat, then you’re pretty much a Democrat according to any reasonable definition*. I don’t see what you’re gaining by refusing to participate in the primaries of the only party you’d consider voting for, but you do you. It doesn’t matter how little “the Democrats” might “want” you, they can’t stop you from registering Dem and voting for the candidate of your choice.
*on a related note, if you are a United States Senator and have been a member of the Senate Democratic Caucus for a quarter century, you are also a Democrat, full stop.
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