Actually, I remember reading in some LGBT-advocacy type publication that Catholics tend to be in favor of same-sex marriage rights. That’s borne out by my dealings with individual Catholics of all stripes in the No on 8 campaign, as well.
Fuck off, will you?
That’s a massive oversimplification. The Prop 8 campaign used their money to spread lies and outright fabrications about their initiative, and they had the power of fundie mega-churches to spread (probably even worse) lies and fabrications to the faithful, not to mention outright tell them how to vote. The people of the State of California got swindled by a campaign with massive money power and massive god power. Otherwise-reasonable people were made to believe that Prop 8 was going to prevent a massive cultural shift that would destroy the institution of marriage, when in fact the initiative itself was a massive cultural shift whose direct effect is to destroy marriages. You don’t live in California, haven’t experienced the yearlong shitstorm on this, clearly don’t know jack shit about it and are not welcome to shit all over our thread about it.
Look, I was heavily involved in the No on 8 campaign and just watched my civil rights, and my district’s only hope for an end to the pork-barrel Hunter legacy, get crushed in the election, from his campaign’s hotel suite. Now I’m so worked up about the local electorate that I can’t sleep. You’ll forgive me for being a bit pissy.
ETA: Thank you for your support. I do mean that. Regardless of the papal stance on the issue, I’ve always found individual Catholics to be unusually fair-minded about LGBT rights.
This Proposition was written, funded, and supported by OUT-OF-STATE conservative interests, especially Utah Mormons. That should be illegal, and I hope many lawsuits are filed tomorrow to block its passage. I hope there’s rioting in the streets, and lawmakers statewide refuse to accept this poison proposition.
I’m dejected that so many Californians voted for it – hopefully it’s not so much anti-gay bias (in this state?) but people who were confused by the pro-family message. (Fuckin’ Family Values cabal…they all need to die, too!)
Whoever backed Prop. 8 and paid for the advertising, especially Utah, I hope GOD strikes down your people and your state with the most Biblical vengeance imaginable, raising cancerous boils on your skin and smashing your agriculture and infrastructure with hailstorms and asteroid showers. I hope your polygamist cults give your children AIDS and turn them into drug-addicted school shooters. Be warned, your Tribulation is nigh, I have foreseen it, and your paper-thin Messiah cannot save you from the wrath of Teh Ghey!
Sincerely, KGS (Proud to be American, but ashamed to be Californian…)
I do. I can only imagine how crushing this is, and I know you don’t need to imagine – you have to live it. I was trying to make a larger point about voter responsibility, but I don’t want to derail your absolutely justified outrage and venting. So I’ll bow out, except to say I apologize on behalf of my co-religionists that pushed this. They know not what they do.
Elsa Prince From Holland Michigan, Mama to Erik Prince of Blackwater and Betsy DeVos (MI Republican Committee Chair and married to Amway family) donated a halfmillion to the campaign against prop 8.
Powerful words. I know this is a bit faggy of me, but I’m tearing up a little reading this from someone who I thought, well, from whom I didn’t expect this kind of support, I’ll put it that way.
California isn’t the only state I’m disappointed in, though it is the most spectacular.
Arkansas has banned gay couples from adopting this election. Because, you know, they care so much about children they want them to stay in orphanages rather than go to loving homes.
Florida and Arizona also banned gay marriage this election.
At least Colorado Amendment 48 (Life begins at Conception) and South Dakota’s abortion limits initiative failed. So, LGBT people got screwed, but women, not so much. Yay, America.
And my heart goes out to Hostile Dialect and Indistinguishable, my friends in every thread involving linguistics, as well as all Californians.
I’m pretty sure it would go from 3 to 2: Massachusetts and Connecticut. And let’s be fair, it’s not 100% in the bag. The reputable news sources seem not to have called it yet, while they called the Congressional campaign I was volunteering with 38% of the precincts reporting. Remember, 91% of precincts are reporting on Prop 8–but reporting partially. We have no idea how many votes are left to be counted. Almost 10 million votes are in now, less than the population of the L.A. urban area.
This is so wrong. This is so wrong. How can so many millions of Americans sit by and watch this happen? And I include myself in this population of people who have failed to do enough. I really believed that these horrendous measures wouldn’t pass; I really believed that the majority would do the right thing. But the fact that they did not leads me to conclude that we aren’t doing enough to put out the facts on this issue, to be advocates for the LGBT crowd.
Because what we’re talking about here are the rights of a minority. And if Obama’s victory has taught me anything, it’s that equality can only be achieved with the support of the masses, non-minorities (and minorities of other stripes) included.
I feel partly responsible for this. I feel like we have all failed on this one. I don’t think I can live in this country any more without actually doing something. This is such a huge injustice that we should be outraged. It should be front page news. In 2008 our country has votes Yes on bigotry, Yes on taking away the rights of others, Yes on ignorance and hatred and fear. What a fucking travesty. I can sit idly by no longer.
Actually, exit polling showed that the Latino vote pretty much split even on 8.
But the African-American vote was 70% in favor of the proposition. One of my best friends is gay and it was a very bitter night for him, seeing local coverage of so many black people celebrating Obama’s victory and discovering their newly found power at the ballot box, knowing that a majority of those same fellow citizens were responsible for taking his own rights away.
Not a sad day–since Obama did win–but a bittersweet one because it demonstrates how far our society still has to go.
But can we agree on something here? What passed is in no way “pro-marriage.” It is anti-marriage. That is its purpose. The very soul of it is to prevent people from marrying.
