It’s not over yet, but the way things look right now: Goddammit.
[The parties in the streets over Obama’s win were great and all, but that I already pretty much expected to happen. So, for me, most of the suspense of the election was (and is) here…]
I’m so pissed. I will forever despise the Mormon and Catholic Churches. And the Republicans. And anybody who voted for this heinous measure.
I’m also pretty drunk, so perhaps tomorrow, I will find some forgiveness in my heart.
Yep. I’m pretty disheartened.
I didn’t expect any better. America is and has always been bigoted to the core. And California is far less left wing than a lot of people like to believe.
But it was so close…
(Not that it ever should have been close in the first place. But that’s the world we live in…)
It’s very disheartening. Brings back unhappy memories of Prop 22’s passage. I was more politically naïve then, so that was more of a shock. I was 23 and I’d grown up in Sonoma County. I don’t think I’d ever spoken to a Californian expressing anti-SSM sentiments. I knew they existed, but it was very jarring to learn that an overwhelming majority of my fellow Californians held such views.
I’m older and wiser now, and I like to think that I have a more realistic picture of the political landscape, so the shock isn’t so bad this time. Objectively, though, Prop 8’s passage is worse than Prop 22’s because now bigotry is enshrined in the Constitution.
I see people in other threads expressing optimism about 2010 or 2012. I find it hard to muster that optimism. This time, at least, the pro-SSMers had the status-quo bias in their side. It was the anti-SSMers who where trying to change the Constitution. Next time, though, the pro-SSM side will be the ones trying to do that, which will only make things harder.
Furthermore, pro-immigration as I am, I don’t think that the demographic trends bode well for this particular issue. Not at least for the immediate future (i.e., next ten years or so).
What is Prop 8?
I am crying right now. I went to bed with enough counties uncounted I could convince myself it had a chance of not passing. Now that I know it is passing, I feel awful. I thought that California was better than this. I can’t bring myself to celebrate Obama’s win as I mourn the loss of my marriage rights.
Fuck, why does it have to be this hard? Why do they hate us so much?
The proposition to change the California constitution to outlaw same sex marriage. It passed, naturally.
I don’t mean to be mean…
… but California had 5,700,000 votes for Obama, and only 3,400,000 votes for McCain. I don’t believe that the Mormons, Catholics, and Republicans had all that much sway here.
Who do you think was funding the campaign ? The “Mormons, Catholics, and Republicans”, including a great many who don’t live here. And the Catholics were preaching against it here as well.
Well, as I understand it, there was strong financial support for the Yes on 8 campaign from the LDS Church; this could have had an influence much larger than would simply correspond to the number of Mormon voters.
ETA: Beaten to the punch by Der Trihs
A lot of those Obama votes came from Hispanic voters who are Catholic and are very socially conservative.
They are voters the Republicans have lost because of all their talk about illegal immigration, but they’re not with the Democrats on same sex marriage.
So what happens to the marriages already allowed? Do they get converted to domestic partnerships? Are DPs still permitted?
I can’t seem to find anyone who knows; I hear everything from them being grandfathered in, to them all being annulled. I suspect the latter, since denying the ability of homosexuals to be married is the point. And it’s about as cruel as they can get away with, which is no doubt an attraction to my wonderful fellow Californians. :mad:
Well, the inference to draw from this is that the voters of California have no will of their own; they blindly vote for whoever has the most money to throw at a ballot item.
Which then means that Obama’s win should be similarly regarded as simply the victory of advertising dollars…?
Sorry. Responsibility for the decision lies with the voters, for the good and for the bad.
This one is bad.
Thanks, these are things that get voted on at the same time as the election? How many states have same sex marriage?
I agree that responsibility ultimately lies with the voters. But why would that mean we cannot also judge those actors which played significant roles in influencing those voters?
I agree, there’s plenty of guilt to go around on this one. Very disappointing result.