Can you name a major-party candidate (final or primary) that actually was FOR same-sex marriage? Yes, I voted Obama. Yes, I’m extremely disappointed in Prop 8’s passage. There is no actual disconnect between those two things. Life ain’t simple.
unless the initiative itself was flawed … otherwise, you are correct
I’m hearing now that this isn’t actually an amendment, but a revision, and a revision has to have 2/3 to pass. There are apparently lawsuits being prepared under this point.
I just heard on our local news that in spite of the fact that the Prop 8 backers are claiming victory…that it is still too close to call.
Also, it **can **be overturned by the California Supreme Court, which I truly expect it will be, since it is unconstitutional (imo).
And perhaps Obama can pass a federal ban on this sort of nonsense.
It doesn’t matter if he voted for Obama - that’s the tragedy. At the same time as the US as a nation was ushering in a “new age” of progress, one of the largest and most populous states was declaring through a vote that its citizens weren’t worthy to share in a legal human right that all the other complacent sanctamonious pieces-of-shit citizens claimed.
Maybe in a few hours or days I’ll be able to take solace in the fact that a man named Barack Obama was elected to the Presidency, but right now all I can see coming out of last night is that people still think it’s OK to see others as subhuman - it’s just that it’s no longer the colour of your skin that puts you in that “lesser” category - it’s who you love. And that makes me want to puke, when I should be cheering for joy.
For now, you scum-sucking pieces of shit - I wish evil on you. I wish loss, and deprivation, and that you have to watch someone you hold dear be taken from you in a horrible and degrading fashion that leaves you helpless and weeping in the dark. I don’t care why you voted as you did, if your preacher or your faith told you to do it, if culturally you didn’t think it was right, if your parents brought you up this way - I don’t care. It doesn’t matter why. You are still loathesome digusting IMMORAL shitholes and I heartily hope you all go to the Hell you so pathetically believe in. Fuck.
I know what you mean. I live near Santa Cruz and I don’t know anyone that didn’t vote no and I was certain that it would fail. It lost by a landslide in this county and it’s easy to forget what it’s like outside our far left bubble. I’m thrilled that Obama won but this sure puts a dent in my happiness this morning. I have at least 10 friends who already got married and they don’t know what the status of their marriage is this morning. Does anyone know?
You can’t have it both ways. You can say that you chose to accept that gay people’s rights would be hurt by your candidate, but denying that you made that choice is very much a disconnect. If everyone who believed in it refused to support politicians who are against civil rights, then there would be a viable candidate who was for same-sex marriage – and of course there were third parties who did, but you reject the possibility of voting outside of the two party system even though you acknowledge they both consider us second-class citizens. If you’re determined to vote for people who are against your rights because you think those rights are not as important as other issues, you certainly can’t claim there’s “no disconnect” between that and the loss of those rights.
[thread=487292]I did[/thread], and in case you hadn’t heard, Obama opposed Prop. 8. There are a few issues that I disagree with him about, “believing in” gay marriage is one of them.
I’m hearing a Prop 8 supporter doing a victory speech saying saying it’s never been about discrimination, and that gays and lesbians have the same rights as it stands now. So “separate but equal” is wrong for blacks in school, but A-OK for marriage? They can have all the rights of marriage, but civilization will come to an end if we call it the same thing?
That asshole probably pays young men for blumpkins in public restrooms.
This is unbelievably depressing and disappointing. The area of San Diego where i live, the neighborhoods north of Balboa Park, constitute the hub of the gay community in the city. There are going to be some very upset people around here today.
This makes me angrier than an Obama loss would have. Much as i dislike McCain and his policies, i can understand that people who voted for him had reasons based in an overall set of political positions. The people who voted for this measure are just bigots, plain and simple, seeking with mean spirits and narrow minds to take away something that should be a right, and that was not hurting a single person. No other explanation is possible, IMO. I hope every one of them is rejected by the god that they believe in, and burns in the hell that they fear most.
So voting for someone who thinks God is against gay marriage is not being a bigot, but voting against gay marriage is? Interesting.
Agreed, meatsock. A loss agreed to and mandated by…da-da-DA…THE PEOPLE!
No doubt there were bigots, no doubt there were zealots, no doubt there were right-wing nutjobs, snake handlers, survivalists and biblical literalists, but all of these people were your fellow Americans who just may hold different, honest beliefs than you, and failing to respect those and failing to attempt to change them with honest, open and real communication is going to doom this initiative to failure every time it comes to the ballot.
What you don’t KNOW about those people, is if the nutters were in the majority. You don’t KNOW if the zeal, the ignorance and the fear you ascribe to the decision was the motivating factor. We could fill Grant Park with the things we don’t KNOW about why these initiatives failed. What we do know is that there’s work to be done and progress yet to be made. Obama’s victory was a victory for the America you seem to have given up on. That kind of choice, the choice the majority of us made to change the climate of our country, has given voice to the future of progressive thought. That victory is not only Obama’s, it is yours, mine and every other American who is tired of the way things USED to be.
It took better than 100 years to go from the black man as slave to the black man as leader. It won’t take another 100 years to get the gays married, not in this country, not in our time, but it will take work and it will take sacrifice on the part of those requesting it of the electorate.
Until then, if you have a shred of hope for our future and a sliver of actual courage instead of this anonymous vitiriol, then use that to find a place to make the change you wish to see, happen.
If not, again, I wish you hope.
Absolutely correct. He personally believes that God is against it, but he opposed prop 8, he wants to get rid of DOMA and DADT. He may personally believe that being gay is wrong, but his actions show that he will support the rights of every American.
The people behind and who voted for prop 8 are hateful idiots.
You do realize a lot of them voted for Obama, right, Tao?
The difference is that voting to take away rights is bigoted. Simply holding the belief* isn’t so bad until it is acted upon. Obama doesn’t believe Mohammed is the chosen prophet of Allah, but he doesn’t want to outlaw the praying to Mecca and doesn’t want to tear down mosques.
*: Another thing I disagree with Obama about is his silly belief that this “God” person exists.
Yes, and? Voting for Obama doesn’t make someone a saint. Millions voted for the man. Thousands are likely despicable, just as for the other sides.
Normally a politician who claims to believe one way and acts another is not seen as a positive. Basing your assessment on what he hasn’t done yet is just assuming that he won’t do the same pandering to you he was doing to the anti-marriage-rights folks by trying to have it both ways.
Yet Obama opposed prop 8.
I’m sure there’s a piercing “gotcha” buried somewhere in your growing pile of Obaman red herrings, EE, but I admit I’m at a loss to find it.
Do you really believe a mass boycott of the Presidential election by people who support gay marriage would’ve put us in a better place than we are today?
Bolding mine.
I have no doubt that their beliefs were different, and that they were honest. That doesn’t stop them from being bigoted. Members of the Aryan nation probably come by their white supremacism honestly, and as a result of deep and thoughtful consideration. It doesn’t make them any less racist.
The people who voted for this measure are bigoted. We don’t need to be able to look into their heads or their hearts; we can see the results of what they did, and that’s enough.