Nitpick: Muslims do not worship Mohammad. They worship Allah. Mohammad is just his prophet.
Actually, one of the reasons I voted for Obama is precisely because gay rights is so important to me. No, he’s not the perfect gay rights candidate. But that’s because the perfect gay rights candidate would be unelectable on the national stage. What Obama is, is the candidate least likely to further erode my rights, and most likely to support further (if not total) protections for my rights. This is not a compromise, this is the soundest tactical decision available to me as a voter at this point. This is the best way to eventually secure the rights and protections I want.
Well, I hope you’re right – but I have to say that in all the commentary and discussion I’ve heard about the initiative, I’ve never heard anyone identify a law that this out-of-state funding could violate… so I’m a bit skeptical that one exists.
And I’m also a bit skeptical that the people “will revolt” in some kind of lawless explosion, which frankly wouldn’t do anyone any good.
But I think the people WILL revolt by reversing this action in the next election, if:
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[li]the groundwork is laid starting today[/li][li]emphasis is laid on the unjust and painful impact to partners who already married when it was legal[/li][li]snide and defiant “fuck-you” behavior stays out of the public eye (see, e.g., “Newsom, Gavin”)[/li][/ul]
Make no mistake: this is essentially a PR campaign. If it were an issue that was decided on the merits, then it never would have passed. And a PR campaign pays attention to appearance and perception. Newsome may have been a gallant ally and his fierce support for the cause is unquestionable… but he hurts more thanhe helps.
Wow. What an unfortunate analogy.
I hasten to point out that while no respectable authority thinks that one can change his or her sexuality, people change their religion enough that Saudi Arabia, of all places, has made just that illegal.
Can I have until at least tomorrow for all that? For now I still want to personally throttle 52% of of the population of our state.
Well, if you throttle them for long enough, you can probably get the constitution amended yourself in the next election 
You might not be at liberty to enjoy the fruits of your labor, though.
I’m really sorry to those are directly affected by this. I voted no, but knew i would be cancelled by my grandparents and my mother (who is on her 4th marriage). Even when I tried to explain my views, it did not matter. Thing is, they don’t know any gay people, and I think it is way easier to take things away from people you don’t know. Whereas I can think of my friends who will be hurt by this decision.
And I’m in one of the red counties that someone upthread wants to kick to the Pacific. I ask him/her to please wait until I leave the country in February.
I am so sad and angry, I barely know where to begin.
Discrimination is ALWAYS wrong. Always. But hey- it only took 40 years or so after the civil rights “victories” to elect a black man president. Maybe in a few decades, “separate but equal but not really” won’t be good enough for GLBT folks, either… 
Here’s the thing.
There are very few things about which I don’t think reasonable people can disagree. But this is one of them. I have no respect whatsoever for any position that would deny full marriage rights to any pair of consenting adults who wants them, a position I consider either profoundly stupid or else frankly evil. And I know that in the long run, a measured and mature approach to this fight is the way to win people over. But right now… well…
Hey, y’all! Yes, you. Everyone who voted for Proposition 8 in California yesterday, and everyone who’s voted for similar measures in Arizona (hi, dba Fred, sure hope you’re reading this!) or elsewhere. Come on down. Have a seat. Have a beer. I’d like just a moment of your time; I promise I’ll go quickly, and I won’t swear. Everybody with me?
So I’m sure you’re feeling pretty good today, and why wouldn’t you? It isn’t every day you get a golden opportunity to hurt thousands of people who never did a thing to you, in exchange for zero benefit to yourself or to society. You sure showed those people who were just looking to share their lives with the person they love, didn’t you? Awesome work, and I hate to be a party pooper at this, your great moment of triumph over the homosexuals. But today, of all days, it seems necessary to remind you of one thing that, I suspect, you already know deep down.
You’re going to lose.
You do recognize that, right? I mean, 150 years ago, your philosophical forebears kept black men as slaves. A hundred years ago, your philosophical forebears outlawed marriage between a white woman and a black man. People like you denied blacks the vote, denied women the vote, tacitly allowed marital rape, segregated the schools, and burned down stores with Jewish owners. And yesterday, a man that people like you once enslaved, the product of a union that people like you once forbade, was elected President of the United States of America in part by citizens that people like you once disenfranchised. The slaveowners, the segregationists, the Klan, the rest of it, all of them are gone or marginalized, sad jokes, and the only thing separating you from them is just a little more time. A little.
And you do know it. I can see it in your panicky faces. You managed to get a cheap amendment passed yesterday, a stopgap against a tide you can’t stem, but you know and I know that amendments get repealed. Laws get changed. Oh, you may still have a decade, give or take, to put your pitiful boot down on a group that still distresses enough of your peers to make it unprotected.
But within your lifetime, it’s going to happen. Gay men, and gay women, will be married. Not engaged in a “civil union,” but married. To each other! They’ll share their names, homes, and lives; they’ll have the sex you can’t bear to think about, in the context of a legally recognized relationship. Then, you know what they’ll do? They’ll adopt and raise children. They’ll join the PTA at your grandkids’ school. And you - as marginalized as the “separate-but-equal” shlubs became after the 60’s - you’ll see it happen. And you’ll sit muttering into your bib about how things used to be, and members of a generation who never knew anything but equal marriage rights for all will nod politely and move away, pausing maybe to wipe the creamed corn off your chin.
It’s coming, and we all know it. We know it because whatever poor Der Trihs thinks, the natural direction of this society has always been toward more freedom, more rationality, more common decency. We move in pathetically small increments sometimes, mostly because of people like you, but we keep on moving and we’re going to move right on past your outmoded ass. And there is nothing - nothing - that you can do about it.
Fucking beautiful, storyteller!
I’m so sorry, America. If Christianity is supposed to be about love, tolerance and forgiveness, then these sheep have truly strayed far from their shepherd.
Maybe someday the fundies will see the light and realise that Teh Ghey won’t rub off on you any more than Obama’s blackness does.
8 Losing was the one big downer at my house last night, as we watched the returns come in. This devastated me, and I can’t believe how LA County voted! I will be interested in seeing the detailed data of who voted no (e.g. what percent of black and hispanic voters).
For those of you wanting to burn down parts of the state, please note that my church in Orange County was actively AGAINST prop 8. We hosted a town hall and a showing of a movie about Christianity and Homosexuality.
http://www.forthebibletellsmeso.org
Please don’t stereotype based on my religion - there are many of us who voted no, even if we are white, straight, married, Boy Scout Leader, church-going Orange County Republicans.
Once again, I said exactly what I meant, repeatedly. That it is asinine to simultaneously claim you had no choice but to compromise and that you didn’t compromise at all.
Echoing storyteller0910
One thing I don’t understand about Prop 8. Why were citizens allowed to vote on civil rights? Why were heterosexual citizens allowed to vote whether or not to have gay marriage? It wouldn’t affect nor hurt them.
It’s almost like going back to 1960s Alabama and voting whether blacks should have the the right to vote.
All of our legally protected civil rights were voted on by citizens or their elected representatives at one time or another. Unless you are conceding that so-called activist judges really did read things into the law that weren’t there.
The problem isn’t that the citizens voted on civil rights. The problem is that they voted wrong.
While black folk got the vote from the bench, women got it via legislation, mostly. It’s not like voting on civil rights is unknown; it’s just extremely weird that an amendment would be proposed limiting civil rights.
Until this is changed, I’m calling this f*ing state
Calibama
Really, dude, what part of “shut the fuck up, you fucking troll” are you still unclear on?
I think it will be a while before B occurs, but I could see A happening in as soon as 2 years.
CNN exit poll
Vote by Age
Yes No
18-29 (20%) 39 61
30-44 (28%) 55 45
45-64 (36%) 54 46
65+ (15%) 61 39
This is going to get removed sooner or later, and my bet would be sooner.
Story, I agree with the rest of what you say, but I don’t think this is quite true. We have moved more forward than back, but we have taken a number of significant backward steps over the years. May I highly recommend Lies My Teacher Told Me for an in depth look at this.
That was great and the first thing I’ve read that makes me feel a bit better about what my state just did. You should plaster it all over the place.