See, and I think it’s YOU who are the hypocrite, because you think she is a liar and a scumbag because she chose not to have sex with someone, a right that she absolutely has, whereas Todd didn’t do anything all that wrong.
ETA: I have to wonder if “fraternity boys” as a demographic would appreciate being lumped in with Todd, or with him being used as the typical, expected frat boy poster child. I knew quite a few frat boys in my day, and the vast majority of them were not the scumbags that Todd is.
By the guy. Who I’m saying was being a dick in saying so. I know you’re fifty times smarter than I am, so see if you can catch where I’m headed with this one.
No, she’s a liar and a scumbag because she promised she WOULD have sex with the guy if he stayed with her, and then broke the promise. She did exactly what he did, only in reverse. She promised sex in exchange for a relationship, he promised a relationship in exchange for sex.
Well, I’ve known at least as many fratboys as you have, I think you probably need to recalibrate your scumbag radar.
Something you yourself said that she was 100% entitled to decide not to have sex with him. A person is as allowed to change their mind about having sex as they are allowed to change their mind about being in a relationship. Therefore, I don’t see how she’s WORSE than Todd. At least she never called her HS boyfriend a whore, or dumped him in the cruelest way possible, or anything like that. So, you’re wrong, by any objective measure, about who’s worse. You’re just doing that thing you do, where you entrench yourself in a view and then defend it to the death, in the face of all logic and reason, which means… this conversation is over. Go ahead and get in your parting shot. Your words on this topic are meaningless.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to stereotype people based on one descriptor. I know, though, that might be too hard for you, to see people as individuals and not as groups that you think ought to be scumbags. There are about 70 frats at Cornell, each with about 20 or so guys in them. I’m sure you’d think they were ALL scumbags. :rolleyes:
Believe me, most of us held this stereotype LONG before we’d ever read this.
I personally know some great frat guys, but even they would tell you the stereotype exists for a reason. Not all fraternities admit douchebags, but it’s not uncommon.
Yeah, I get where you are going with it Jimmy, but the point is in the two or three weeks it took her to figure out that she was pregnant while she was sending this guy a bunch of e-mails and texts and whatever else, she hooked up with two other guys at least, which she BTW confirms herself.
At least we agree that he was completely entitled to dump her. She was more cruel, though, because she did it took a guy who had hung on through a real relationship. She had no relationship with the frat boy. I also think it’s way more heartless to string a guy along as she did, promising him eventual sex, and then telling him he wasn’t as worthy of her virginity as some random slimeball at a frat party.
More than half, at least, but by all means, if you have any daughters, you should teach them to trust drunken frat boys and believe everything they say.
ETA what makess you think my impression of frat boys is based on “one descriptor??” My impression is based on having been around a lot of frat boys. I played a few frat party gigs with my band back in the day. Are they ALL douchebags? No, but like I said upthread, not all wild mushrooms are poisonous, but that doesn’t mean you’re not an idiot to randomly eat wild mushrooms.
At least we agree that he was completely entitled to dump her. She was more cruel, though, because she did it took a guy who had hung on through a real relationship. She had no relationship with the frat boy. I also think it’s way more heartless to string a guy along as she did, promising him eventual sex, and then telling him he wasn’t as worthy of her virginity as some random slimeball at a frat party./QUOTE]
Well, he wasn’t some random slimeball at a party–he was a guy she’d been dating. You make it sound as though she never intended to have sex with the original boyfriend. Maybe she just changed her mind and decided she didn’t want to have sex with him. Is that such a cardinal sin?
So what constitutes a relationship? Six months where they only dine out at expensive restaurants?
Anyway, if he did just change his mind, he should have said something. He has the right to do what he did (stop taking her calls) but it definitely makes him an asshole to not actually break up with her.
The manner in which the promise was broken is the issue. She dumped her HS boyfriend, a right you cannot deny that she had. She had the decency to tell him to his face, give him a clean break, and not insult him afterwards. Todd used her, failed to break up with her at all, then afterwards, implied that she was a slut. I think Todd was a little more than marginally worse.
I don’t know. More than a couple of dates anyway. I don’t have some slide rule. I’d say at least a couple of months.
She said it was a couple of weeks before he stopped taking her calls. She even said he talked to her more that night, and that she was the one who left early, so it wasn’t THAT abrubt. I think the real point is that she was an idiot for expecting anything more oout of a guy who’d already made it pretty clear that all he wanted was sex.
How do you know how she broke up with the HS BF? This is all the blog post says about it:
It doesn’t say how she told him, or even IF she told him, it just says (kind of snidely) that she "revoked his “HymenPass,” (whatever the fuck that is). Don’t invent facts here. We have no evidence that she dumped him face to face, only that she dumped him.
You’re grasping at straws here if the best you can do is that he was a chickenshit about how he dumped her. That’s a normal risk of dating. I think she was an idiot to believe him in the first place.
The exact same way that you know that she was only dating Todd for a few weeks. All the blog post says about it is:
“Anyway, Todd and Kathy resumed their “relationship.” They hung out frequently, met for lunch on campus, and often studied together.”
Could have been weeks or months. So, you’re free to make assumptions to support your jaundiced view, but then don’t call me out about my assumptions. It seems clear to me that she dumped her HS boyfriend from what was written, and you are grasping at straws if you’re trying to cast doubt on that. Like I said, you can be relied upon to entrench yourself and then contort yourself wildly to prevent any admission that you might not be 100% correct.
He was chickenshit in how he utterly FAILED to dump her. Then, to imply that she was a slut was also dickish. Do you think it’s OK to behave that way? I don’t. Her idiocy does not in any way mitigate that he was an asshole. You said he didn’t do anything all that wrong. That’s just bullshit. If he didn’t do anything all that wrong, then neither did she. You can’t have it both ways.
I didn’t say she did anything “wrong.” I said she was moron. The worst he did was be a chickenshit about dumping her. Not nice, but not horrifically evil either, also extremely predictable, also not a justification for her to stalk him.