Rumors flying about the US now that the AbuGharib photos were part of Psyops project to intimidate/terrorize, also the Spiderhole was a put on photo op. Mad ravings? Paranoid ranting?
This post from Canada puts the lie to the whole ‘Spiderhole’ hoax:
There WAS NO Icecream in the Saddam pics. The images could have been real, except that there WAS NO Icecream!
Which is not to say there was/is not a lotta tourturing going, infact quite the opposite. And I do not think they were screaming for ice cream.
That was not a rumor in the jails:
Now, the photos becoming public was not part of the plan, and even worse things than mock positions were recorded.
Darn, the post was supposed to refer only to the AbuGharib photos, omit the Spider hole please.
The idea that the Abu Ghraib photos were deliberately leaked is silly. All they did was make America look bad, and presumably inspired further distrust of the American occupation and the Iraqis associated with it.
I’ve heard various rumours about the spiderhole so far, the gist being that Saddam was caught and then put into / put back into the spiderhole for the sake of good tv footage. I don’t know what the story is.
Ditto. If Abu Gharib had been a psyop, the officer that though that one up must have been sleep deprived himself. That would have been the stupidest idea since “New Coke”.
Stupider; at least Coke didn’t take pictures of Coca Cola employees torturing people who liked old Coke better. 
Y’all hafta admit it did terrorize some folks.
Outrage and terrorize are two different things.
I thought that was the whole point behind New Coke…
I thought that was the whole point behind New Coke…
What was the point behind New Coke, anyway? 
The world was/is outraged, the people of Afganistan and Iraq are most definately terrorized. I also think the notion of the gov. releasing the photos is completely counter intutive and has caused irreperable harm. But to think that this torture has not been going on before would be willfully ignorant. Presently Gonzales is justifying torture on the U.S.'s behalf. Where is that outrage now?
None of this has any logical connection to your OP. You’re not only moving the goalposts, we’ve switched from football to tetherball.
:smack:
To return then- U.S. intel has done many Psyops manipulations in the past, but the graphic nature of the images caught the world by the throat has brought about a confrontation concerning the use of torture in general. The confrontation and ensueing debate has brought us as a nation to defending torture as a tool in our kit.
The spiderhole thing was plausible, but who the fck cares about Sadam, not me.
Just the manipulation of images for political gain, or establishing a power dynamic.
But the Abu Gharib thing is weirder: Sadam tortured the shit out of his own people and was able to force the country to stay within the boundaries/borders set by the brits when they left. So torture was a powerful tool for social control in Iraqi politics befor U.S. went in a 2nd time. Why should torture as a tool for establishing control not work for the coallition of the wilting as well? Except how do the Iraqi folks know that the coallition means ‘busieness’, just like Sadam? Rumors? Maybe a little P.R. would help convience them… Hearts and minds and all that.
This is the blind reasoning behind the leak of the photos.
Personally I think it is ridiculos, but facinating.
No it hasn’t. I have no idea where you got this idea. The administration has defended some interigation techniques but they’ve gotten a lot of flack and in general the nation seems pretty strongly against the tactics used in Abu Graib.
In Iraq and the Arab world in general, the release of these images has done the US efforts harm. If it was calculated to make Iraqis think we were tough, it seems to have backfired.
So, I don’t see any evidence that this idea has any merit.
Is “tourturing” a guided trip about or through a place with the intent to inflict extreme discomfort or pain? :dubious:
::maniacal chuckeling:: I am sure something can be arranged…::Full blown cackle::
TELEMARK What you call “interigation” others call torture.
or tourture.