I didn’t see any “glee” in the video. She did it as quickly as she could, and only gave one halfhearted “Wheee!”. Compare to the video of the marine a few years ago who was holding up the dog and saying “Aww, look at the cute puppy!” and smiling and laughing before launching it off the cliff. I’m definitely subscribing to the theory that they had to be killed, no vet available/within the budget, and this was a straightforward and easy way of doing it. And I’d say “businesslike” is more accurate than “cavalier”.
And I’m also going to go out on a limb here, and say if a video was posted of a teenage girl breaking the necks of 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Crunch!” on one of them, or decapitating 6 puppies in a row, maybe saying “Thwack!” on one of them, the outrage would be 100 times greater.
I can’t even imagine what the reaction of the American internets would be to that. Some vigilante would probably murder the kid.
I found it really disturbing how many people advocated drowning and otherwise killing and/or hurting this girl as punishment. I know it’s just the internet and people say fucked-up things, but jesus.
Did you laugh at the fact that he died, and how it happened? Or were you remembering the good times you had with your father? The latter happens at almost every funeral I’ve ever been to.
Having a “dark sense of humor” while she’s basically drowning puppies – not nearly the same thing. But I don’t think in this case it can be a case of “gallows humor.” :rolleyes:
(And she’s not acting like this task is some manditory chore. She’s basically pretending to be Roger Clemens with those poor puppies. She has to put them down? Fine. But do it humanely, and don’t film it and sit there and giggle.) It’s not the animal – it’s liking the pain and the act of killing itself.
Oh, and I don’t advocate torturing said girl. But I still stand by what I said – to take pleasure in killing animals isn’t normal. And if it were up to me, I’d say she should be checked out by a professional.
I’m with you. I didn’t really see much glee in it, either. And I’m going to guess that drowning isn’t as horrible for a 3-day-old pup as might be imagined. They don’t even have their eyes open, so they can’t really struggle, and they have no idea what’s going on around them. I’m thinking that this is as humane as someone trying to take an ax or rock to their heads, and possibly screwing up a whack here or there.
Downing is torture…as noted earlier the likes of the Inquisition used water boarding to simulate drowning as a method of torture.
Anyway, I am coming back to this thread to up the ante of some (reportedly) Bosnian boys setting a cat on fire.
Yes really (at least the cat on fire bit) and I STRONGLY urge people to be careful watching the linked video. It is as advertised and exceptionally disturbing.
The boys seem to be getting a chuckle out of it. Filmed it and posted it online.
Anyone want to defend them as more of, “That’s just how they roll over there”?
Link is in spoiler box to avoid accidental clicking:
(In case anyone is wondering how I came across this it was posted to Reddit which I roam on occasion: Reddit - Dive into anything (this link is safe to the comments section on that video)
I think this is a really stupid thing to say. Is it ok for me to say that in MPSIMS? Is that wrong for me to say? I think that you just said some of the stupidest shit I have ever heard.
I remain unconvinced that newborn puppies being drowned even feel pain the same as adult humans do, let alone feel ‘waterboarded’. But even if they do, and they may, I don’t know, that still doesn’t cancel out how stupid the quoted statement is.
People in this thread defended the girl’s actions by stating culturally (over there) people just do not view dogs as pets as we do thus somehow making it ok.
So, here are some boys from roughly the same part of the world torturing a cat. Does their explanation still apply?
Now this is absurd.
Presumably you can’t be sure the cat feels being set on fire the same as a human would so I suppose you think it is no big deal to set cats on fire.
I don’t think it’s as much an “over there” cultural thing as it is a rural vs. urban/suburban culture. Most animals that urban/sububan folks deal with are domesticated pets. Rural folks who have grown up on farms around cows, pigs, chickens, etc. are more used to the idea of killing animals out of necessity. All BigMacs and chicken McNuggets have to come from somewhere, urban folk prefer not be privy to the gruesome means.
The girl seemed to be carrying out an unlikeable necessity in an efficient manner.
Get rid of grandma’s diseased dogs.
The boys are a different matter. Unnecessary torture for entertainment? They have issues.
If we assume the pups were indeed sick and diseased (we can’t know and it could have been the case but also seems a convenient after-the-fact way to absolve themselves of trouble…I’m on the fence on that one).
If we are ok with a young girl giggling as she tosses puppies into a river.
If we are ok with someone filming the event and posting it to the internet as some kind of entertainment.
If you want to make that wholly unwarranted leap that has no logical underpinnings. Drowning is indisputably an unpleasant experience and I know for a fact puppies feel pain and experience fear. Mother Nature tends to hardwire that stuff into most life forms…certainly one as advanced as a dog (even when young).
An awful lot of “ifs” to get there.
Kids torturing animals while filming themselves doing it and seemingly have a good time doing it.
Oh. I actually didn’t realize that you knew that for a fact. That is one point I was stuck on, having heard and read that the newborns pups don’t feel pain as we do. I didn’t have good sources on that. Thanks.
I have personally handled new born pups on more than one occasion and they feel pain (well…they did a few hours after being born and guessing the girl did not determine the health of the puppies minutes after birth to decide they all needed killing).
Not sure why you think their nervous systems are not operational after birth.
If she wanted to end the pups efficiently (via drowning) she’d have just filled the bucket with water and put a lid on it. No need to even tote them to the river. Could be done with a kitchen faucet/garden hose/hand pumped well.