Put your fucking children in an orphanage you worthless cunt!

You can guess what I saw the other day at the polls. Anyway, this mother, and I use the term loosely, had a set of 6 kids all with her in front of the school under the age of 8. They were all being forced to sit in one place and anytime they would laugh or move she would hit them with a switch. Yes, a switch. That is perhaps one of the most archaic things I have seen since I have been born. Anyway, while she was busy hitting one of them her three year old girl slips away (I didn’t notice it either since I was doing my best to ignore them) and runs down the street. Meanwhile her kids are getting noisier and more restless as it had been about 45 minutes of them sitting on the cold cement steps. And yes, it was cold outside. To make things worse she had two other adults with her who were chatting louder and more boisterously than the children were who were basically horsewhipped everytime they got the attention of their mother. The fucking worthless violent cunt eventually notices that the 3 year old is gone and starts screaming “(insert girls name here as I don’t remember), Get your fucking ass over here so I can beat you!” Then she goes running up the street yelling something similar.

Eventually she comes back with the kid in arm basically dragging her, hits her with a switch and sets her down crying on the steps. I think to myself, “at least the girl is basically safe.” I was wrong, one of the two adults who wasn’t the kids mother (incidently the adults were all women) starts in on the girl now. The girl is crying because she was hit with a switch and was squirming around on the steps, I assume because she was also spanked where I couldn’t see her and it was stinging her on the steps. Anyway, this other women starts shouting, “you gonna cry! I give you someting cry about!” and picks up the girl and throws here onto the steps. Then she picks her up a couple more times and slams her on the steps right on her butt. The poor girl is still crying and trying to hold it in because she knows if she doesn’t stop she will get beat some more.

The mother just watches and cheers the other woman on saying, “you lurn how be gud.” and other such noncoherent garbage. Meanwhile I am sitting in the background thinking about how much I hate kids because parents like these completely ruin them. I know when that girl gets to be 15 and she has a set of 10 kids of her own she will be treating all of them exactly as her siblings are being treated since she would have never known better. At least in an orphanage the kid will be stuck out of the way and learn to speak up for what she desires or she won’t get anything out of life. Plus, orphanages have stricter supervision of the caretakers to insure that the children are at least adequately provided for.

The worst part is that these people seemed at least moderately affluent. I know that wealth is no indication of parenting prowess. I know that is following a stereotypical line of thinking but when one has more money then the person has more childcare type of options such as daycare (which is no substitute for familial love), a nanny, or even a babysitter when the child gets to be a handful. Granted that she had 6 kids all under the age of 8 which would mean that this parent would have had about one child every 12-13 months with the youngest being the three year old. People should only be allowed to have as many kids as they can actually raise where raising doesn’t have anything to do with having the child to survive into adulthood. Raising means that the child not only has to survive into adulthood but also become a productive member of society in some fashion. If one has too many kids that one can not provide adequate discipline, care, attention to this child through oneself or extended family (meaning both parents and any other family that may be close by) then one has obviously overspent there childrearing Karma and should be forcibly castrated/tubal ligated and have the excess children go to the orphanages across the US to go to families that want them and can provide an adequate home. Some say that the orphans may never find a home but that is partly due to excessively restrictive laws in some states barring gays and lesbians to adopt children.

Anyway, this woman got me to thinking about all the nasty children (for future reference I hate children, especially misbehaving children but not as bad as I hate parents who turn them into that nasty subset. I can tolerate most children and don’t start liking them until they have developed a decent sense of communication and intelligence. Children suck ass.) out there and how she is one of those people who just makes sure they turn into nasty adults which is something I hate many times more than nasty children.

Anyone else have a similar story?

Sqrl

PS. I didn’t do anything except sit and watch in an indifferent awe. I don’t know why but I don’t think much would have came of it even if I did try to talk to them (which was a bad choice since they were already prone to violence with children) or call the police (another bad choice because child protective services only removes a child typically if the child may die from neglect or abuse, and then have the child get beat more because of the negative attention it brought).

Sqrl, I still would have called the cops.

A fucking SWITCH?

Sorry, but this worthless piece of parental shit deserves to explain to a burly cop (who’s already pissed about getting this call in the first place) why these kids are bruised and crying.

But would anyone there have come forward as witnesses? Or would they have all decided it was none of their business?

Sure, it might not have done any good. But I would love to see this scummy bitch get ground down by the system, maybe she wouldn’t have time to torture her kids (although people like this always DO find the time, don’t they?).

Makes me absolutely sick. I am a mom and the mere thought of hurting my son makes me heave.

I’ve stated before that physical discipline is up to the parent(s), but anytime a force multiplier is used (belt, switch, hair brush, whatever), or if the parent leaves a mark, in my opinion, that’s abuse.

Me? I hope I would have had the presence of mind to grab my video camera and tape it. Then I would’ve called the police and Child Protective Services.

I abso-fucking-lutely HATE to see shit like that. I’m beginning to think that there really should be such a thing as a license to have and raise a child. The other day I saw a small child…toddler age I think, about 3-ish…just wandering down the hall where I work (A casino resort). I said to the child “And who do you belong to?” in a voice loud enough where the parent, who was nowhere to be seen(!!!) would hear me and come get their unattended child. Well, this YOUNG female sticks her head out from around a corner down the hall and says in a very snide voice “I was just about to go get her,” and shoots me this nasty mind your own business look. Well, EXCUSE ME FOR TRYING TO KEEP YOUR FUCKING CHILD FROM BEING UNATTENDED YOU GODDAMN FUCKING BITCH!!!

Sure, it’s nowhere near as bad as your example, Sqrl, but it does piss me off. If only we could somehow prevent anyone from under the age of, I don’t know…let’s say 25, from having children. Goddamn irresponsible kids having babies…pissed me off (Oh shit, I sound like my father now… :eek: )

Well, Sqrl, it’s nice to see you have enough balls to do some…wait, you didn’t do anything.
Well, I’m glad you told someone who could…wait, you didn’t tell anybody who could help.
Oh, I know! I’m glad that you are high enough on your own pedestal that you don’t have to help small children like that. It warms my heart to know that violent parents everywhere have an available and willing accomplice to their crime. I’d hate to see you make a bad choice, and I’m sure the children thank you. They, of course, understand why you couldn’t even attempt to help them.
For your foresight and competance, I salute you!

The only time I was ever arrested for a real offense was a similar story. I saw a “man” ** beating** his four year old daughter beacause she was crying due to her falling down the ramp to the bleachers at Wrigley Field. Apparently the asshole was pissed that he had to lose his spot in the beer line. I went over to help the girl (I was security), and the dad says “she don’t need no help, she’s just a little baby”. The girl had a bleeding and bruised knee from the fall. The dad then decked her saying, “shut up” and knocking her to the ground.
It took two police officers and two security guards to get me off him. I broke three ribs and his jaw.
When we got to court, the officers swore he hit me first. The judge threw my case out(battery), and sentenced him to 3 months in jail for child abuse, neglect, assault on a police officer, and resisting arrest.
The mom wrote me a heartbreaking letter thanking me for my help and letting me know this was not the first time, she was leaving him and going to live with her folks.

I will not sit by ever and let something like that happen. My personal safety is a (distant) secondary concern when I see a child being hurt.

Thanks for posting Mike- I figure you still feel the same way even if your case HADN’T been thrown out.

Pepperlandgirl, I was talking about people like you, worthless Mormon Fucking Cunt. I avoid threads that have you in them. You, do the same you putrid producer of human caviar.

With all the hate that one can muster for a single individual.

Sqrl

PS. I don’t see you doing anything about the homophobia and racism rampant in your idiotic religion now go home and hide your plain-jane face in that worthless rosy closet in which you are so fond.

I’m reminded of that great scene in Kindergarten Cop where Linda Hunt (the tiny little principal) is talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger (undercover cop posing as a teacher; he’s just decked an abusive dad in front of the whole school). She’s just chewed him out now that she knows he’s a cop, and she continues:

Linda: Now I want you to tell me something – and don’t lie . . . What did it feel like . . . to hit that son-of-a-bitch?

Arnold: (hesitates) It felt great!

Linda: (smiles smugly and nods)

Pepperlandgirl, I think you’re being just a little harsh on Sqrl here – although I don’t completely disagree with your points. Witnessing something like that does put one in an awkward position: Get involved with some stranger’s life? Mind your own business? Would it really do much good to get involved? Could make things far worse for the kids.

Now, I don’t exactly agree with Sqrl’s inaction either. I probably would have either confronted the so-called parents, or called the cops. However, calling the cops would put the kids in foster care or worse and that can fuck them up even worse than their own parents abusing them. But that’s debatable, I grant that.

I’m just wondering: do these people have no fucking pride at all? Why do they wait until they get out into public to beat their kids? What do you suppose they do to their kids behind closed doors? Are they proud that they think it’s okay to abuse someone younger, smaller and weaker than themselves? These people have bigger problems than any of us could fix via these boards.

Just wanted, really, to share my similar story. My step-sisters must have been raised in this way, because they all treated their kids in much the same manner. Most of my neices and nephews are drug-using sleazebags with no motivation, no sense of personal responsibility, no self-esteem and no ambition, and not a whole lot of intelligence. Many had their own kids before age 18, which tells me that the age at which someone becomes a parent may be more of a mitigating factor to abuse than socio-economic status. 1 - The way you were raised, and 2-your maturity level when you became a parent, seem to me the major factors here. Although I’m also beginning to suspect that IQ has a lot to do with this as well.

Incidentally, I was raised with spanking (my dad used a paddle with holes drilled in it until I was about 14 – WAAAAYYY to old to be spanked, IMHO). Spare the rod, spoil the child… all that. Therefore, I have no desire to have kids of my own. I’m pretty sure that when under pressure (and parenting is no walk in the park I’m sure), my first gut reaction would be to reach out and clobber my own kids – because that’s what I learned growing up. That’s how my dad coped with pressure and his anger toward whatever my little transgression was. Because of this, I’m terrified to breed, so I choose to break the many dysfunctional cycles in my family and not breed. Maybe I’m really saving some unborn kid’s life…who knows?

BTW, Mike G? Good work! :smiley:

Jesus Christ PLG, get off your fucking high horse.

We can all rest assured that she would have swept up the child and raised the girl as her own.

Mike G…that makes you a HERO in my book.
We have a similar story at Customers Suck, where someone beat up an abusive father.
Another one, where a mother got angry when a clerk spoke sign language to her hearing impaired daughter, because then the child wouldn’t grow up to be “normal.” So the child signed to the girl, her mother didn’t know sign language, and the clerk signed back, “Think she’ll know this?” And gave the mother the finger! The child signed back, thanks, that was funny!

Wow, that is by far the most pathetic thing I have ever seen anybody post. You know what? I take it all back. Obviously your life is so bitter and sad that you don’t need my sarcasm (as well placed as it may be). I mean, God, you could hate somebody so much, someone you don’t even know? I was wrong, that’s not pathetic, that’s disgusting. Maybe you should seek professional help?

You are absolutely right. Next time I see a little girl get beat up, I’ll take the high road, like Sqrl, and ignore her. Then I’ll post it here so you can all congratulate me on knowing my place.
Thank you for your guidance. I’ve been so blind before.

Wow, you guys are fighting like teenagers over who gets to be on top this time. Instead of ripping on religion or bitching aobut things past, maybe you two should think about where that anger should be directed. Next time you see a child being abused, act. Don’t think “I would just be giving in to [insert poster name].”

Grow up.

PLG: the fact that Sqrl didn’t know what to do doesn’t make him a bad person.

Sqrl: that insult was WAY over the line, IMHO.

Well, if you could cut the dramatics for a minute, we can discuss it.

Sqrl was commenting on something that made him upset. And, as others have commented on, it’s a very touchy situation on what a bystander should do.

1.) Tell the parent that he shouldn’t hit the kid.

Do you think that any abusive parent is going to respond to this with any good outcome? “You know, you’re right. I really am wrong about how I’ve been raising my children.” I don’t think so.

2.) Call the police.

Possible solution. Then what happens? Kids go to protective services if the cop believes your side of the story. Is this better? I’m sure that you know (and if you don’t, then read up on it) about how great this usually works out for the kids. Granted, sometimes the kids get lucky, but quite often they wind up in much worse situations than they started out in. So that’s one possible option, with very possible negative consequences.

3.) Kick the parents ass.

Then you’re up on battery charges, and you’ve done nothing but show the kid that violence is a solution for violence. Granted, Mike’s story of what he did makes everyone feel good, and we should all agree that the fuckwad father had it coming. And I don’t at all fault him for what he did. I do, however, have a problem with the fact that people lied at his court appearance about who swung first. If you are willing to take matters into your own hands, you need to be ready to accept the consequences of your actions. I don’t think any judge in his right mind would give Mike more than a slap on the wrist if anything at all in the way of a sentence or punishment, assuming the story he tells is true.
So, this is a possible solution, but not by any means a perfect one.

4.) Do nothing.
Which is what Sqrl did, and I can’t say that I would have done any different. If there was a clear cut fix to this situation, I bet Sqrl would have acted. As would I have, had I been there. Yes it sucks, but unless you’ve got some magic wand you can wave here, there is no easy answer. What Sqrl saw made him angry, as it should make anyone angry. Lack of a clear choice and inability to offer any help to a child in that scenario is frustrating.

I can see if Sqrl had gotten on here and posted “HA! this three year old got the piss smacked out of him with a stick today, it was the funniest thing I have ever seen!”, then your smug response would have been appropriate. Instead, you come off like a righteous bitch.

So please tell us all how you would have made the situation peachy-keen for the kid.

PLG and MikeG, you both sound fine to me.

I once went to a grocery store late at night on Dec.23, needing an ingredient for a Christmas dish. In the parking lot, about two spaces from my car, there was a car left running, with two little kids in their jammies inside. Doors were unlocked(I checked) and then stepped back because I could see the kids hunching down to get away from my gaze. Guess I scared them. I went inside and got my item, and reported the situation to the manager, who didn’t seem too interested. Left the store muttering to myself, and attracted the attention of another couple leaving, who said they would stay and watch until whoever came out to the kid’s car.

I’ll never forgive myself that I didn’t do it myself. Better still, I should have called the police. It’s illegal here to leave kids under a certain age alone in the car. I could have been the local neighborhood pervert, the kids could have been hurt putting the car in drive(remember it was running) any number of bad scenarios could have played out. Getting involved, no matter how complicating of your life, is still better than a child being hurt.

Hey dude. That’s way out of line here. If I ask nicely, would you like to retract that now? Please?

You post in the Pit, especially about an inflammatory subject that arouses deep emotions (i.e., mistreatment of children), and you’re gonna get people that think you’re a good guy, and people that think you’re a loser. And who will tell you how they feel. Happens to everyone - every hour of every day here. You know this, and should expect it.

When you respond in this sort of way, I don’t think you are acting like a good guy. I don’t have the foggiest idea what has gone on between you and Pepper, and probably almost no one else on the SDMB does either. Are you really that mad at Pepper? Or are you just mad at yourself because deep down you really wanted to do something to help those kids, but did not? (note I’m not condmening you for your inaction - I understand these situations can be hard to call IRL) Are you just really mad at the parents for treating the kids like this? Are you mad at society in general for turning a blind eye to things like you witnessed? No one can clearly tell here from your message.

But they can tell this - this sort of rage in your answer is scary and seems really out of control. Think about how this makes you appear, OK? Take a deep breath, and think about who you are, and where you are. OK? Now go to your neutral corner…

Actually, we don’t all turn out that way. Some of us learn what is right by being shown what is wrong.

That being said, I don’t think Sqrl was wrong in standing by:

It is not a good idea to get involved. Speaking from personal experiance (but hey this is the Pit so what the hell)…

The worst beating I ever recieved from my father was because someone got involved. My father picked me up from school (I was 8) and was mad because I had stayed after to talk to the teacher about joining the Advanced Reading Club. Of course he was not interested in my explanation so he just grabbed me by my arm and started dragging me home.

I was happy he didn’t have a belt, so a little tugging did not bother me. But the principal’s secretary, who was incidentally my neighbor from across-the-street, saw. The next day, I was called to the office to talk to her “unofficially,” but I had the prudence to keep my mouth shut.

Unfortunately, she was not convinced and confronted my father when he came to pick me up. Once the words “I talked to your daughter” passed her lips, I knew it was all over. No use hiding.

That afternoon I got my head slammed repeatedly into a concrete brick until my two front teeth were knocked out (I have crowns now, saving up $1400 for new ones) and I watched my father drown my new puppy in our swimming pool. Later that night the whole family (my mom and brother included) got beat as well just so we’d learn our lesson. Point taken, I must say.

I don’t say all this for pity or to whine, but to tell everyone not to judge Sqrl for what he did. After eight years of abuse (and 13 years for my mom), I knew speaking out would do nothing. The cops came to my house at least once a month, and never did anything. Even when I was too young to lie, and told them the truth, they didn’t do anything. When I was 11 and my mom left my father, he stalked us for a year. We had tapes of his phone messages, videos of him outside the house, screwdrivers in the tires, and nothing was ever done no matter how hard my mom fought.

I’m glad some of you have strong moral judgement, but sometimes following that judgement - doing something to appease your conscience, doing something to make yourself feel better, doesn’t help the child at all.

Pepperlandgirl, it’s easy to take the high road when you weren’t there. Sqrl did not ask for your judgement - he obviously does not feel good about what he did or did not do. I’ve read many of your posts complaining about how people judge you because you have a black boyfriend; perhaps you should try having the same outlook toward people who are not as morally supreme as you.

FTR, I’m not looking to argue with you. If you want to start another fight and toss around meaningless insults, then find another poster to fuck with. I’m not interested.

Sqrl - I don’t think what you did was wrong. I know it is something that you will probably remember for a long time. I would suggest to you (and other posters who see similar things) to volunteer for House of Ruth or domestic abuse shelters (I did for three years in highs chool) or donate money to such causes.

Every single family has a different dynamic; any parent gets pretty pissed when someone interferes. Add this to an already abusive relationsip and you will only cause added pain, sadly enough.

Wow, courageous and powerful post, Nacho4Sara. Thanks for being willing to share your point of view; it can’t have been easy for you to post this.