Question for you Dangerosa

That does sound extremely sad. The only thing I can think of is that hockey can be really expensive (two of my cousin’s kids play hockey, the younger one wants to be a goalie, which really requires a lot of equipment), but football? She was so insistant on getting in touch with her daughter’s principal about the dress code, why didn’t she at least bother to talk with the football coach, to get it first hand, rather than through a parent? Sports is a great outlet for a kid who’s going through a lot of issues, I would think.

And the kid is musically talented? That’s AWESOME. Both me and my sister had musical talent, although in different ways – I played the clarinet, (although I gave it up when I was twelve) and you should hear her sing! (I can’t sing for shit) Sometimes I’d feel a little left out when relatives would gush over her singing at church events, but my parents would always point out my own accomplishments (art and sewing stuff)

I just wish for ONCE she’d post something like, “my son’s baseball team won the title this year!” or “He got first chair in band!” Just something. :frowning:

If this was really about the kid, then this thread would have dropped off as soon as it became apparent that Dangerosa is not reading along. If your posts don’t help the kid, then there’s no reason to post them.

The point is that you’re angry. And the reason you are angry is that some Doper decided to kick a pre-existing hornet’s nest. Nothing new happened to justify a sudden increase in anger that required a Pitting. Even if you think what Dangerosa said about her kid back in the past was awful and indicated possible abuse of her kid, there’s no reason for that to be rearing its ugly head today (You know what I mean, so don’t be pedantic.).

If this were an intervention, it would have been called after Dangerosa said something else bad about her kid. But it wasn’t. It was called because Green Bean decided to Pit Dangerosa in a thread outside the Pit, and Dangerosa dared reply that she no longer talks about her kid.

And the idea that you want what’s best for her makes no sense. She’s bigoted against her kid for being adopted, you say. She’s abusing him. That’s the only reason it’s ever acceptable to attack someone about their parenting. You’re all parents, apparently, so you know that, if someone came and yelled at you about how you parented your kid, it’d better be some abusive situation, or they should shut the fuck up.

If she’s what you claim, then wanting what’s best for her makes no sense. An abusive bigot is not someone you want the best for. What you’d want is for her kid to be taken away from her.

If anyone ever said what you guys are saying about Dangerosa about my mom, they would have just made a lifelong enemy.

Hell, my first Warning was for when I implied Dio was an abusive father. (I was just making a point, not really an accusation, but it was misunderstood.) I fucking know that you guys don’t normally tolerate this shit.

People don’t suddenly change their morals about what is acceptable for someone they “only want the best for.” Ironically, that’s often what abusive parents say to justify abusing their kid–not that I’m accusing you of going that far. Just that this thread and the accusations being made contradict you.

And I do find it funny that people bring up my lack of experience when I’m the one who apparently knows that there are certain lines you don’t cross. That’s from personal experience being out in the world. Somehow, you think it’s okay to “stage an intervention about someone’s parenting.” As if you have any fucking right to get involved at all unless you think there’s abuse, in which case you call the cops, not treat them like an alcoholic.

Do you ever actually contribute anything to this board beyond hectoring and scolding other posters that they’re Doing It All Wrong? I’ve seen you nagging in this forum, and I’ve seen you pontificating in ATMB, but what else do you bring to this board apart from being its self-appointed and unwanted curtain-twitcher? Seriously, nobody give’s a fat rat’s arse about your smug little homilies. Post something useful or fuck off.

Shut up BigTard

You are the one talking about abuse.

That’s the problem. You haven’t been out in the world, in any meaningful sense. IIRC, you’ve been agoraphobic since you were 20 years old. In all likelihood, you’ve never graduated college, had a career, lived on your own, been in a long-term relationship, gotten married, raised children, etc.

Yet you pontificate about all and sundry.

On preview, what Guinastasia said.

If only our lives were so black and white. I think your parents enable you. Should the cops be called? You certainly display delusions of grandeur. In your parents basement as an adult. Let that sink in.

The BigTurd lecture series continues.

Hush your face! BigT can solve every problem if only he could leave his mommy’s house. Too bad he is disabled. He can nanny from a keyboard though. Lucky us.

Do you read his posts? You’ve got more patience than I do.

Back to the really thoughtful post from CairoCarol. People gravitate to shared interests and backgrounds so I completely agree that it’s only natural that some of us will pay attention to certain things.

My parents who played favorite but my maternal grandparents were worse. My mother is one of six children: one boy and five sisters.

The boy could walk on water from the moment he was born. Never did anything wrong and always did things perfectly. Anything he did was valued, anything any of the girls did was not.

Fast forward to their adult lives. My uncle became a professor of engineering in a good school and became the dean of the college. He had five children, three boys and two girls. All five of his kids graduated in four years or less. The boys went on for grad school; two with PhDs including his oldest son who also became a professor. Because they’re Mormons of my generation the girls didn’t do that sort of thing, so they married guys with grad degrees.

All five sisters married abusive husbands, sex fiends, or simply losers, or some sort of a combination of all three. We got the worst of the deal but the other husbands were not prizes.

Being LDS, they had large families. There are the five of us in my family and I’ve got 24 cousins from the other aunts. So, 29 kids from the girls, 5 from the uncle.

Of the 29, less than half went to college. Not a single person went in four years. No one. Only a couple went to grad school. The oldest son of one family got a PhD after 15 years or so.

Failed marriages. Depression. Financial difficulties. You name it.

The abuse in our family was particularly bad and our lives reflect it. Only three of us graduated from high school and only my oldest sister and I graduated from college. It took both of us years to do so.

The other thing I notice is when one child lines up with the beliefs of the parents where others don’t. My poor second sister is gay which drives my stance Mormon mother insane.

The oldest in the family is still Mormon, but the rest of the kids are not.

That has caused my mother an enormous amount of pain over the years.

When I finally got around to confronting that brother about him raping me (as well as our younger brother and several other boys), I was discussing this with my mother.

She said that all of her kids disappointed her in some way. This older brother by his sexual abuse of younger brothers – and me for leaving the church. In her mind, not only were they equal on some level, but probably mine was worse because my brother could get forgiveness and head off to the Mormon heaven with her, where I wouldn’t be able to.

I’m not suggesting at all that Dangerosa’s family comes anywhere near to what happened in ours. There is no comparison at all.

However, this is why I pay more attention to perceived (or imagined) differences in how kids are treated and how the parent’s values affect their offspring.

And it might have ended quite early, but people have a tendency to defend themselves when they believe they’re being wronged or called out unfairly. Nota bene that he overwhelming majority of posts are about justifying this thread to posters like you and Banquet Bear, and reflect on how much you’re probably helping matters.

I don’t fit any of those, but I do have a brother…who happens to have been adopted. I don’t go around thinking of him as my adopted brother because that descriptor has little relevance to our relationship, and it would have bothered me intensely if I sensed it creating bias in how we were parented as kids.

My brother is a taciturn guy who doesn’t talk much about his feelings. Even still, I know that he struggled with identity issues growing up. I have also picked up on the fact that he sometimes feels left out from family affairs, but whether he attributes that to being adopted or something else, I don’t know. That he even might wrestle with that question, though, underscores how difficult it can be for adopted kids. I too have sometimes felt left out, and even though it’s always painful when those feelings surface, at least I don’t have the psychological burden of suspecting it’s because I’m not a real member of the family. My brother lacks such privilege.

If Dangerosa’s son is like my brother, he isn’t going to announce when he feels unloved and alienated. Perhaps that’s what his sister would do, but he hasn’t given himself permission to express himself like that. This could be an artifact of his personality or it could be because he’s been told–implicitly–that his feelings don’t matter or are invalid.

I’m sympathetic towards him because even if he and sister were objectively being treated equitably, with no outward signs of bias, he still has a psychological burden that his sister does not which might make him more sensitive to unintended slights or mistakes. Not only from being adopted, but also being a different race from everyone else.

When Dangerosa talks about him, I don’t get the sense she really empathizes with how he might feel. There’s an air of “well, we try to include him in our lives but he refuses to be like us, so…”, with the implication being that he’s alienating himself from the family rather than the other way around. Maybe he is creating that distance, but it could very well be in natural response to something the family is doing or not doing.

You are the one who knows that there are "certain lines you don’t cross’? Thats rich.

“That’s from personal experience” - dude you aint got none!

“Someones parenting” - Listen fuckface, thats another thing you got no experience off.

“As if you have any fucking right to get involved…” - Amen!

Why don’t you just crawl back under your stained activity mat and play with the dangling dildos like your mum told you to?

This in a nutshell is the thing that bothers me.

I have no opinion of the topic of this thread only because I don’t really follow along with parenting threads or things about kids because I don’t have any so I don’t know who’s right or wrong but I think I figured something out about BigT.

I just looked at his profile and his signature says, in part “Trying to be good in a world that isn’t.” He sees himself as a victim of the big bad world. His white-knighting isn’t about whoever he appears to be sticking up for, it’s about himself.

If I had a modicum of respect for him for sticking up for people, it’s gone. He’s not a hero, he’s just running around shouting “look at me! I’m a victim! Validate my victimness!”.

So he has what Rachel Dolezal has, is what you’re saying.

Sure he does.

If a kid is walking home from school minding his own business, and a bunch of bullies suddenly jump him and throw his books in the mud, then I feel for the kid.

If that kid deliberately provokes the bullies, gets his books thrown in the mud, then continues to do the same thing day after day, even after being told by other people that his behavior is incredibly annoying, then my sympathy shifts over to the bullies.
BigT has been told repeatedly why he annoys people so badly, yet he continues to shit up thread after thread with more of the same. If he doesn’t want to change his posting style, he’s free to ignore the negative reactions. The fact that he continues to post the same types of things and then whines about being “bullied” when people object demonstrate that he very badly wants the negative reactions he’s getting.

I guess he’s just an attention-seeker.

I guess he’s just an attention [del]seeker[/del] whore.

FTFY. :smiley:

Once more, you nasty little bluenose, you do not get to single-handedly dictate the terms of discourse on this board. “Ooh, all you meanies crossed a line”. I don’t know Dangerosa from a bar of soap, I know nothing about her parenting, but she talks about it in threads here and that makes it a fair topic for discussion here. That’s all that’s happening, people are talking and offering opinions about the manner in which she talks about her kids, a topic she brought up, and in a pretty restrained way. If she doesn’t want the way she presents her parenting talked about, fine, she can leave it off the table. I mostly don’t talk about my wife and kid on this board because for me that’s private. But bringing it up means it gets discussed, and that’s not crossing any sort of line. You trying to dictate otherwise is wanting, yet again, to impose your own set of finger-wagging rules on a group of people who don’t want them.