Not that Bittersweet… all that fountain of youth talk at the end will likely explain why in Pirates 4 (Yee gawd forbid) the entire cast can come back and not look a decade older.
This was a sloppy convoluted story… which is odd because there really wasn’t much of a plot. It contradicted itself so I don’t think there are any real answers to the questions raised aside from “Sloppy Writing” Watch…
Sloppy Writing
Sloppy Writing
Sloppy writing to cover for a set piece. It looked good but it made no sense.
Yes… It means they are setting up for another.
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No… because I can pretend it is a time travel story and Jack’s dinghy ends up in the bveginning of the first movie.
(1) Right before Davy stabs Will, Will stabs Davy. Davy says something like “I can’t be killed because I don’t have a heart.” The only way that Davy can be killed is if someone stabs his heart. So my theory is that Will wouldn’t have had to carve out his heart except, since he got stabbed, he needed to become immortal right away. Much the same as what iamthewalrus(:3= said.
(2) I haven’t figured that one out.
(3) This one either. According to the movie, it’s good business to join the winning side rather than the losing side. Maybe this was his way of “joining” the winning side. However, if he would have fired all those guns, and called in additional vessels (which he easily could have done), he had a real chance of winning. The Pearl had already been half blown up by the Dutchman.
(4) As I watched it again, it definitely was clear that Barbossa had given the eye to Ragetti for safe-keeping.
I don’t think that “Captain Jack was a failure as a pirate.” In fact, he is without doubt “the best pirate I have ever seen.”
That’s the point. The movie states that Barbossa was the one who called for the meeting, and then that got the ball rolling with the song everywhere.
Just saw this today. And my read on that scene is that Jack thought he really wanted to become the Flying Dutchman captain, but when the moment of truth arrived, he hesitated – he wasn’t really sure. I think perhaps whoever it was who told him that he would have the duty of carrying the souls to the afterlife, that he wouldn’t be totally free, maybe that made him unsure.
Clearly he hesitated. Because he had the shard of the sword poised over the heart before Davy Jones stabbed Will. He had Will on the ground, at his mercy, yes. Then Jack piped up, and Davy Jones spun around (ignoring Will for the moment) – and we see Jack with the shard poised over the heart. If Jack truly wanted the job, 100% undecided for sure, no doubts in his mind… he would have already stabbed the thing. He hesitated because he wasn’t sure. And that gave Jones the time to stab Will.
(And at that point, of course, Jack realized that having Will take Jones’ place was the only way to “save” him).
Wow, I read that completely differently. I read that as Jack savoring the moment of victory over Davy Jones, not hesitating at the prospect of becoming the Dutchman’s captain. He’s finally got this guy’s heart in his hands and he wants to see him squirm – really rub it in.
Davy Jones (to Will): “Do you fear death?”
Jack, from behind: “DO YOU?”
And, alas, his moment of gloating cost him his chance, because it turned out Davy Jones didn’t just squirm.
That part confused me too. After talking it over with my wife and the other friends who were at the movie, I think I understand better. I think he was killed because he’d been asking questions about it, and had found out that if you stab the heart, you have to take the place of the captain, and your heart goes in the box. Beckett wasn’t happy about him knowing that, so he had him dispatched.
But that part was confusing, so I might have it wrong.
Oh, I disagree with this. To be captain of the Dutchman is to have even more responsibility - Turner even told Jack, when he was dumping the bodies off the ship, that if you don’t do the job (ferrying the dead), you turn into the fish creatures. Davy wasn’t doing his job (we saw all those people floating in the ocean), and that’s why he and his crew mutated - part of Calypso’s curse, I imagine.
And yes, to answer another question, it wasn’t Will who cut his heart out, it was his father. I’m not sure how the curse changed into what it was during the movie, but whoever stabbed Davy Jones’s heart had to replace the heart with his own. Yes, the timeline doesn’t quite scan, unless the heart and chest refered to in the second movie was both literal and figurative (his heart had been removed and placed in the Dead Man’s Chest, and when Calypso didn’t show up for the reunion, he figuratively cut his heart out). That’s all I got.
Real pirates usually avoided killing as much as possible. Success in taking a ship often relied on the crew surrendering to avoid getting killed in a prolonged firefight. The pirate captains knew that if they slaughtered these crews then word would eventually get around and nobody would surrender anymore. Their life would get harder, more dangerous, and less profitable. Leaving crews alive and releasing them meant a whole lot of mouths telling fellow sailors that they can safely surrender and only lose their cargo if it looks likely that they will lose in a fight.
What I don’t get is why Elizabeth didn’t join the crew on the flying dutchman to sail with Will for eternity… Or what? Can anyone explain where my thinking fails?
And regarding the pirates from other countries - they have existed, although most of them weren’t alive simultaneously.
This makes sense, but I’d love to see a cite. I was under the impression that most pirates didn’t give a damn if their prey surrendered or not. They have, throughout history, often used extremely fast boarding craft for the purposes of gaining access to ships, after which they fight as any boarding party would.
I second your confusion. I realize it would be dark for a Disney tale (though granted, this film was already exceedingly dark for Disney), but I rather expected Elizabeth to stab herself on the deck of the ship. In this way, she’d have died at sea, making her soul forfeit to the new Davy Jones. That would let her sail with the Dutchman and her captain forever. As it stands, the only logical (and I use that term loosely) thing for her to do is to make damn well sure she dies on a ship. It’s like having the Grim Reaper as a husband, except he’s got a limited jurisdiction.
He didn’t - the crew did. Per creepy-lantern-holding-barnacle-guy in Dead Man’s Chest: “The Dutchman needs a living heart”. Once Jack made him stab the heart, Will’s had to take it’s place.
I also don’t remember hearing that Davy Jones could not feel emotions - they seem to be more pronounced the closer he is in proximity to the heart, though.
Beckett was a great big pussy who totally froze in battle. End of story.
He was keeping it for Barbossa. At the end you can see Ragetti is carving himself a new eye.
I was a bit annoyed that Jack’s character arc seems to have brought him to exactly the same place he was the first time we met him, but it makes sense. I was more frustrated that he didn’t sail off with Elizabeth. So, he’s sailing to go keep her company while Will’s off ferrying souls to the land of the dead for the next decade. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
We were shuffled out of the theatre at the end of the movie and I didn’t get to see the scene after the credits; I’m going off to look for it at YouTube.
My question: did anybody see how many guns the Endeavour had? The Black Pearl has 32 cannons and the Flying Dutchman had 48 cannons (and 2 triple cannons) which brings their total to 82 cannons–against what appears to be maybe 30-40 cannons on the Endeavour. Beckett was completely screwed.
The plot for Pirates 4: Barbossa and his crew pursue Jack, Jack picks up Will’s son somehow, they reunite with the Flying Dutchman…?
I think the Endeavour had three gun decks, possibly four. I have no doubt that with Admiral Norrington in command, the frigate would have sunk both the Black Pearl and Flying Dutchman.
