(Spoilers ahread. I forgot to put that in the thread title.)
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(Spoilers ahread. I forgot to put that in the thread title.)
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My main question is this: (1) Why did Will Turner carve out his heart?
From what I gather, long ago Calypso and Davy Jones loved each other. Then Davy was charged with the task of becoming the Captain of the *Dutchman * and ferrying souls to the next world, and thus could step on land only once every ten years. When he came back ten years later, Calypso wasn’t there waiting for him. It wasn’t in her “nature” to stay constant. He was very mad about that. In order to escape the pain, he cut out his heart so that he wouldn’t feel any emotions, either good or bad.
[[Tia Dalma says, in Dead Man’s Chest: “See, it was a woman, as changing, and harsh, and untamable as the sea. Him never stopped loving her. But the pain it cause ‘im was too much to live wid,.but not enough to cause him to die. . . . It was not wort’ feeling what small fleeting joy life brings, and so, he carved out him heart, lock it away in a chest, and hide de chest from de world. De keys, he keep wid him at all times.” ]]
Then he abandoned the task of ferrying souls, pirated around the land of the living, and became octopussified because of it. He also told the original council of the brethren how to bind Calypso into an earthly form, which they did.
Later on, Will Turner stabbed the heart of Davy Jones, killing him. That made Will the new captain of the Dutchman. But why did he cut out his heart? Couldn’t he have sailed with his heart intact, like Davy Jones did for the first ten years?
(2) If Davy supposedly couldn’t feel emotions, then why do we see him with emotions? (Such as his tears, or his anger at the end of *Dead Man’s Chest * when he opens his chest and finds the heart missing.)
(3) At the end, why did Lord Beckett not resist when his ship was attacked? He said something about it being “good business.”
(4) Why did Ragetti have one of the pieces of eight (his eye) when he wasn’t a pirate lord?
(5) Was anyone frustrated with the fact that Jack didn’t end up with the *Pearl * at the end?
I have no idea. This occured to me as well, and the friend I saw it with yesterday e-mailed me this morning with this very question. Because it made a nice scene when he told Elizabeth she’s always held his heart? I’ve got nothing.
I don’t recall a mention that he couldn’t feel emotion, just that he didn’t feel love.
He was stunned that it all went wrong (being as his tact was “good business” it was supposed to have worked without a hitch), and knew he was doomed. How effective would resisting be if you were trapped between two ships firing on you? It would have been futile and he knew it.
Barbosa mentions that Ragetti had been “keeping it safe” for him. I take it that Barbosa had borrowed it from him originally when it came time to put in a token to trap Calypso.
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Very effective, I think. That was a ship of the line, and significantly larger than the other two. It would probably have carried enough men to work both sides. I believe Jack Aubrey employs a similar strategy in one of the O’Brian books, but I can’t remember.
Someone who knows more about such things will probably be around shortly to correct me, as I’m just working from a fuzzy memory here.
I thought Jack Sparrow did that. I must’ve had more beer at the movie than I thought.
Sparrow put the sword in Turner’s hand, and possibly helped him to stab the heart
My guess is that by taking the heart out and putting it in the chest, Will keeps it safe. (Safer.) If whoever is the “Davy” keeps his heart in the chest, instead of in his chest, then he can’t be killed (as easily).
I don’t remember the part about Davy not being able to feel emotion.
This was a flaw for me too. He had been such a diabolical bastard, then he just freezes.
He was the keeper of Barbarosa’s Piece of Eight. The “Pieces of Eight” were just whatever the pirates had in their pockets at the time. Barbarossa had Ragetti’s eye in his pocket, so it became his P8.
Nah. I thought it was a strength of the movie that it didin’t tie everything up with a neat ribbon. It was completely in keeping with Barbarosa’s character to take the Pearl back.
Futile, maybe, but they still would have done something. Each of those guns is manned by a gun crew and the gun crew would have shot their guns off. The naval battles were completely impossible and I was privately being a pendantic pain in the ass about it, but then I realizes: It’s the pirates versus the undead fish people – let it go.
They left it open enough to squeeze out one more PotC movie if the box office warrants it; but if not, that’s as appropriate an ending as any: despite a few adventures, Sparrow is essentially a failure, and he’s back to sailing a dinghy like we first saw him. Sparrow should have become the next captain of the Flying Dutchman: the chance to avoid death, or worse responsibility, and to sail the seas for eternity would have suited him to a T.
I found the ending bittersweet. Elizabeth is left all but a widow, raising a practically fatherless son. She’ll see Will maybe four or five more days in the rest of her life. The ultimate sea wife I suppose.
I was confused about that whole thing too – what precisely happened to piss Davy Jones off so much that he went nuts. Last night I rewatched Dead Man’s Chest, to see if it answered any questions; at one point Jack essentially says that he and Calypso had sex once. (“I thought I knew you!” “Not as well as I hoped.” or something like that; it sounded like innuendo to me, at least.) And Davy Jones seemed to be especially ticked off at Jack Sparrow. Maybe he found out that Jack was getting it on with his babycakes while she was supposed to be waiting for him on his one day of vacation.
Eh, maybe not. Just a fleeting thought.
I asked my wife that – the Endeavour had a CRAPLOAD of canons pointing in both directions, and could have caused serious damage to both ships. Why didn’t he fight back? And why did the fleet turn tail and run after one lousy flagship was destroyed?
She said that Beckett (and the other ship captains) realized that the Flying Dutchman was no longer under their control, and they knew it was hopeless to fight against an immortal and probably indestructable ship if they didn’t have it under control. Thus, Beckett’s mind snapped and he just stood there frozen. And the other captains realized they should get the heck out of there before the Dutchman came after them too.
I think the original intent (Jack’s) was to take Davy Jone’s place, but with Will mortally wounded, gave that chance so that Will and Elizabeth had atleast a fleeting chance.
As for Davey and Calypso - I took it that she broke his heart so much that he couldn’t stand the pain of it and carved it out so as not to feel it… Will and Elizabeth’s play at that (her actually being there at the 10th anniversery) was to prove that a woman could be trusted with your heart.
Captain Jack was a failure as a pirate, because he was always willing to be ‘human’ and not just a ‘pirate’, but in the end, he still gets what he wanted - a ship and an adventure, and more importantly, the freedom of the sea.
That’s definitely true. Jack really wanted to be that immortal Flying Dutchman captain, but he made Will do the heart-stabbing instead in order to save his life … er … to keep him from dying … er … well, you know what I mean.
That prompted me to ask my wife another question. Clearly, Barbosa and his crew had no problem slaughtering hundreds or thousands of people in their mad quest to retrieve all their cursed Aztec gold pieces so they could remove the curse (as the prisoner said to Jack when the Black Pearl was attacking Port Royal early on in the first movie – “They’ve been attacking settlements for nearly 10 years. Never leave any survivors!”), and clearly Jack was a much nicer guy than Barbosa, which is what kept leading to his downfall. So what did Jack’s crew do for income while HE was captain? Obviously he has no problem stealing stuff from people, but did they do the usual pirate thing and kill people too?
Also, why did Jack have to make a deal with Davy Jones in the first place, to raise the Black Pearl from the depths and be her captain for 13 years? What happened that required him to make a deal like that?
In any case, I’m looking forward to the fourth movie if they decide to make it. The Fountain of Youth in the PotC universe should prove quite interesting.
I understood this as that Dutchman’s captain is essentially invulnerable, except for his heart. Since Will was dying, cutting his heart out would “heal” him.
I thought Will had been fatally stabbed by Davy Jones and was going to die, so the only way to keep him around was to cut out his heart and have him become the new captain of the Dutchman. Didn’t they say earlier in the film that whoever destroyed the heart of Davy Jones had to replace it with his own? (Also Will didn’t cut out his own heart. Someone else did. Wasn’t he basically unconcious at that point?)
In the first one, didn’t he reportedly sack Port Nassau without firing a single shot? And he’s excellent at talking people into things. I think Jack is a quite effective bloodless pirate. Notice how his first impulse is “run,” followed closely by “pilfer” and then “persuade” and finally if all other options have been exhausted, go on the defense. He doesn’t strike me as aggressive or violent at all, except in self-defense (or maybe defense of treasure or the Pearl).
What was the significance of the song? Barbossa clearly wanted to set up a Pirate meeting before the song was sung. None of the pirate lords seemed to take ‘the song has been sung’ as any reason why the meeting should take place.
Why was the pirate boy, (presumably brevetted to Captain in a similar way to Elizabeth), using a Piece of Eight as a Piece of Eight to start the song, and if Pieces of Eight weren’t really Pieces of Eight how had Beckett managed to gather a selection of ‘special’ Pieces of Eight?
I wanted the East India Company to win, frankly.
And I liked Norrington. He reminded me of Rimmer, but not quite as smug. Hopefully they’ll find a way of getting him back for a fourth movie (if there is one, that is).
What the hell was the East India Company doing operating in the Caribbean instead of, well, the East Indies?
To be fair, the East India Company historically had a lot of fingers in a lot of pies, especially when it came to maritime trade and so on.
Huh? Did I miss something? Elizabeth had a son?
Yeah, it was the final scene after the credits rolled. She and her 9-year-old son (who appeared to be the same actor who played the boy who got hung at the beginning) went out to watch the green flash and see Will and the Flying Dutchman reappear and sail in to meet them.