QUESTIONS FOR THE EVOLUTIONIST...

Hey hey hey! I resent that aspersion to 13 year old boys! I was once thirteen years old and I can assure you that I was nothing like him! So reclassify Jedi as “a juvenile individual with the agressive tendencies commonly noted in those with higher testosterone counts (typically those of the male gender).” Complicated and euphamistic, maybe, but more precise and less offensive to more mature 13 year olds.

Anyway, I think we should let this thread die, because a new thread has started devoted specifically to AI.

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  1. How did flowering plants evolve? and from what?

Heres the evolution of seed plants in an ordered list starting from their oldest ancestors:

  1. Eukaryotes (including Protists, Plants, Fungi, Animals, etc.)

  2. Mitochondrial Eukaryotes (animals, plants, and most other eukaryotes)

  3. Crown Eukaryotes (animals, plants, fungi, stramenopiles, etc.)

  4. Green Plants (green algae and land plants)

  5. Embryophytes (land plants)

  6. Spermatopsida (seed plants: flowering plants, conifers, etc.)

  7. Angiosperms (flowering plants)

So wow, land plants evolved from the same types cells that gave rise to animals and every other living thing on the planet. BTW my reference for all of that is “The Tree of Life”

i see 13 year old boys have evolved since you were 13 ;), but ive never heard of evolution to the worse. what an interesting concept.

bj0rn

White Wolf, I was being sarcastic.
It was my attempt to succinctly convey the mindset of the fundies.


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I’ll make this simple and as short as possible. Creationism and Evolution are one and the same theories, the basic difference is that Creationism was taught to a people who were big on survival skills but had less education than the average first grader. They saw animals being born in their herds but had no actual concept of how or why, even though they also practiced intercourse. They knew of disease but not of germs, bacteria, viruses or spoors. They had no real concept of the workings of their own bodies and basically considered the Earth to be the center of the universe, with everything else revolving about it.

You could not explain molecular fusion to them, nor chemical combinations which eventually formed life. Trying to explain to them that humans and all life came from the sea after millions of years would have been impractical. I do believe that God engineered evolution and that inspired humans explained it as simply as they could for the people of the time. Having the first man come from the mud is similar to the sea evolution story. Eve from Adam’s rib is a glossing over of cellular division, multiplication, adaptation and mutation.

You could not tell someone from something like 1000 BC that humans and all life begins as tiny little living, unthinking packages of cells too small for the normal eye to see and ‘magically’ unite to grow and program themselves into an animal, a human, a fish or a bird and then to divide into species depending upon the environment each is in. They would not believe it.

The primary thing concerning humans, which had to be God designed, is sentience; the ability to be able to reason, feel emotionally, to think, to wonder what is beyond the next hill and how to improve what they have to work with. Sentience is actual life. Sentience is what makes a human, human. Without sentience, humans could be regulated to the simple stimulious/automatic response/random activity for of intelligence that a cockroach has.

If you stop and reason it out, then the Theory of Creativity and the Theory of Evolution agree with each other completely. God gave us the ability to evolve and change according to our environmental needs. (The ‘slanted’ eyes of the Orientals, used in colder climates to keep their eyes from freezing. The black color of Black people, from hotter climates to protect them from the searing sun. The pale color of White people, to enable them to absorb more sun in colder climates where the sun shine is weaker. People with larger ‘butts’ – from arid areas. The fat in the stern stores water. Thick lips – water evaporation to keep the head cooler in hot climates, thin lips – to reduce heat loss in colder climates.) We live under a mildly variable sun and the radiation promotes mutations and the mutations adapt to the areas they live in.

Has anyone considered also the simple fact that nearly, if not all, of the long lasting, major religions of the world each have ONE God they worship and many similarities? Christianity seems to be the most fragmented, arising originally from the Jewish religion, then splitting into Protestants, Catholics, Methodists, Numerous Baptist sects, Jehovah Witnesses, Christ Scientists, Fundamentalists, Mormons, Amish, and, I think, a few more.

Through it all, remember that the Bible was written for a very simple and primitive people as a guide for education and living. It is remarkable that it has survived so many thousands of years but should be interpreted according to the times for the world does not stand still. Plus, it was written by humans inspired by God and humans are fallible. They make judgments according to their own personal beliefs and the environmental factors of the times. (In the Bible, written during a Patriarchal society, women are little more than property. I suspect that was written by a person influenced by his time.)

One other thing, incorporated in sentience, as a gift from God, along with free will, is the human ability to reason things out, to question, to determine and to find answers. Those believing firmly in Creationism should exercise this miraculous ability and reason it out for themselves.


Mark

Quoth 'carpo:
And it would only be reasonable for a computer to be a Creationist. It (he? she?) could directly observe its Maker!
Yeah…and you’d never get it to believe that it had evolved from an adding machine. :wink:
And sayeth Mark:
Has anyone considered also the simple fact that nearly, if not all, of the long lasting,
major religions of the world each have ONE God they worship and many similarities?
That oughta come as big news to the Budhists and Hindus. More to the point, how 'bout somebody doing the math to show that monotheism is the majority view of Homo Sanctus? Betcha can’t.


JB
Lex Non Favet Delictorum Votis

Wally: Sorry, it’s so hard to “hear” sarcasm when it’s in type.

Chris: Thanks, I have to credit Scott (whose username I didn’t catch in the e-mail) for sending me the author and correct wording:

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts
I would also like to agree with kaylasdad’s last post concerning jedi


White Wolf

“Death is the only inescapable, unavoidable, sure thing. We are sentenced to die the day we’re born.” -Gary Mark Gilmore