Quillette: the thinking racist's magazine

The faux-intellectual bigots need a safe space. I don’t know that much about Quillette, but perhaps it is the safe space for these silly but self-important people.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/almost-all-living-people-outside-africa-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years

There are dissenters who believe it happened more as you describe. But my narrative can hardly be dismissed out of hand as “an incorrect understanding of the facts”.

And as noted upthread, unlike sub-Saharan Africans, two percent of our DNA comes from literally an actual different species of primate.

It wasn’t a single group that left Africa – Reich even says “The most recent migration “explains more than 90% of the ancestry of living people.”” in that link. Even if he’s right (and I’m rather skeptical), that leaves tons of genes contributed by others. It also ignores the vast and heavily populated “border” areas – Mediterranean populations; South and Western Asian populations; island populations; etc. None of those populations, with literally billions of people, can possibly be described as descending from a single small group alone.

At most, perhaps what he’s saying is partially accurate in a very superficial and broad sense. But the details are much, much more complicated (and enigmatic).

Of course, even if he were 100% accurate, this provides absolutely no evidence in favor of your pseudo-scientific assertions about intelligence.

No surprise at the “us” and “them” implication in this sentence. You just can’t help yourself, but it still comes out in your writing. I don’t think you’re actively hateful, but you just ooze with the certainty that you are part of some special, blessed group of humans, and bear condescension, and perhaps even unconscious contempt, for black people.

Until you actually take a good long look at yourself and actively try to cut out the bigotry like a tumor within you, you’ll be a bigot for the rest of your life.

When one group (Eurasians) are partially descendants of a species previously thought extinct, and another group is not, how is it not objective, scientific reality, not me, creating the “us and them”? :confused: Of course, as Sam Harris has wryly pointed out, we are fortunate given the stereotyping of Neanderthals as primitive “cavemen” that scientists had not instead reported that it was the other way around, that only sub-Saharan Africans carried Neanderthal genes. Had it gone that way, the pressure from the “woke” crowd to suppress this information in academic and mainstream media contexts would have been extremely intense.

ETA: BTW, aboriginal peoples in Australia and other island nations are in the Neanderthal population along with Eurasians.

God you’re a weirdo fantasist (as is Sam Harris, to some extent). This is just straw-man silliness. Harris has been criticized by progressives, and his ego renders him unable to reasonably consider criticism, so he lashes out at a massive group (those he considers “woke” or SJW or whatever), rationalizing away anything they ever say critical about him, no matter the evidence. Even to the point of making up absurd, awkward fantasies in order to make the fictional version of these people look silly!

Your “us and them” is a fiction you’ve chosen to believe due to your own weird supremacist biases. I’m more closely related on a blood/genetic level to millions of black people in America (and probably outside too) than to certain other far-flung non-black people… there’s no possible legitimate biological classification that would place me in a group with those other far-flung non-black people, but not the black ones, even though I’m considered white by society, everyone who ever meets me, and my own upbringing. The same or similar is likely true for you and almost every other white or Asian person on the planet, in some variation. That ~2% of our ancestry might come from Neanderthals makes us no more “us and them” than that 3% might come from the Finnish, or the Tibetans, or Siberians. And even that Neanderthal ancestry is not so strict a delineator – my West African spouse, born to two West African parents, in a West African country, has a little bit of Neanderthal ancestry, according to one of those mail-in genetic tests. Is she somehow not “pure” sub-Saharan African? Or are notions of “purity” complete and total bullshit? I take it you choose to believe in these harmful notions of purity, but it’s a choice, and a bullshit, pseudo-scientific, and harmful-to-future-generations choice that you’re making.

:blinks:

Not sure what you are going off here, but that in essence is the evidence that is used to argue that there is indeed just one human race. Of course, “scientific” racists do talk of gradual later genetic changes as if that was a meaningful way to make us as separate as the racists want it.

Andy, your virtue signaling is duly noted. It’s what you are good at. (Actually, you do also seem to be good at writing science fiction, which—at least in the sample I read—surprised me by not reeking of performative wokeness.)

Fuck you, you racist piece of shit. Disagreeing with you, or with Sam Harris, is not “virtue signaling”.

EDIT: Thank you for the kind words about my sci-fi writing.

Also, if disagreeing with racist pieces of shits is virtue signalling, than light me up commissioner gordon, I’m the virtue signal.

Quillette is racist trash, duh.

That’s not what I was referring to.

You are welcome—they were deserved. But are you sure you value the endorsement of a “racist piece of shit” like me? :wink:

It doesn’t matter. It’s a flippant, lazy, and meaningless response. The equivalent of an unaccompanied “check your privilege” from a lazy progressive, and signifiying nothing more than your own unwillingness to expend any actual effort in defending your positions. We’re all guilty of laziness occasionally, but I’m gonna call it out when I see it. Especially when it’s paired with your rancid supremacist garbage.

I am not at the point in my writing career in which I can pick and choose endorsements.

Okay, those are both fair points, well argued. Mea culpa for the lazy “virtue signaling” dig.

Because…?

Going a bit meta, and because we are in the pit, I will have to point here that the publication in the OP, Quillette, was encountered by me and many others before, it was cited by a poster called Chen019 and (IIRC) he also contributed to that site.

He was the one that first started as a “scientific racist”, he posted later as a nativist, did go into appearing as a fake environmentalist (applying the concept of the carbon footprint just on immigrants), and ended up as a holocaust denier. A neo Nazi indeed.

(Interesting in that the OP in that thread also showed how unimpressive is the argument **SlackerInc **is pushing here.)

Yes kids, when you use a poisoned well for your inspiration it will usually end up poisoning you.

Not this shit again..

Learn to fucking read with comprehension, you pathetic excuse for a Master Race member.

Am I the only confused why this finding is remarkable?

I’m not surprised by it per se, but I did not know the timelines of it until this thread. These sorts of threads are often illuminating in that way.

It’s a flurry of links with no pull quotes. I intended to look at some of it when I found time, but I don’t think any of us owe anyone that much reading to respond to a single post. The OP’s unwillingness to engage beyond “Yikes” does not exactly inspire me to go back and dig deeper.

Meanwhile, a rational person might read the headline “in defense of the bell curve” and consider that enough of a pull quote.

These are all debates we’ve had. I have little interest in rehashing them.