Quillette: the thinking racist's magazine

So out in ATMB I had some rather choice words to say about Quillette, and some people quite vigorously disagreed with me:

I’m a little surprised that this is news. Quillette is incredibly racist. They might occasionally publish decent material (don’t ask me to link any, I can name more decent reporting from Fox News off the top of my head), but their most high-profile work is the stuff that goes viral for entirely the wrong reasons.

Let’s start with the most recent case. This isn’t about racism per se, but it does help give us a look at the kind of ideology and standards Quillette is working with.

That’s Quillette’s founding editor attacking a journalist for… asking her if she fact-checked a study she ran an article on. A study published by “ProgDad”, a notorious right-wing troll. A study whose actual methodology was pretty obviously fucking garbage, and which for some reason only the far-right fell for. And uh…

But for conservative media, the endorsement of peers within its narrow confines is all the expertise necessary for publication. Quillette writer Andy Ngo, who called attention to Lenihan’s work on Twitter and whose work Lenihan cites in his article, insisted that the legitimacy of Lenihan’s findings was self-evident from Lenihan’s Twitter posts. **Human Events publisher Will Chamberlain told CJR that it considered Quillette a “reputable outlet” and would not independently fact-check work appearing on its site **when commenting on it “in broad terms.” CJR did not receive responses to emailed requests for comment from PJ Media’s Tyler O’Neil, RT’s Margarita Simonyan, or Breitbart’s Allum Bokhari. It seems unlikely that anyone reading these publications will encounter the sort of media criticism that dogs the steps of reporters for mainstream news outlets.”

Hmmmmmm.

Also, when called on exactly this, Claire’s response was… let’s just say “impolite”. Because, as we all know, when you’re an editor, telling a journalist who is criticizing you for taking a right-wing troll at their word to, quote, “Kiss my ass” is totally routine. :slight_smile:

But okay, that’s just showing that the senior editorial staff is really fucking bad at their jobs and wear ideological blinds the size of trash-bin lids - the same you could say for basically any right-wing media source at this point. What about the racism?

Well, I linked to this in the other thread, but apparently it went unnoticed. Here’s Andy Ngo, editor at Quillette, defending craniology, because Quillette ran an article defending… “race science”. Fucking really:

Angela Saini’s new book, Superior, is a cautionary tale about the historical legacy, and putative return, of what she calls “race science.” As far as we can determine, there are four main theses running through the book:

[ol]
[li]‘Race’ is not a meaningful biological category[/li][li] Genes can only contribute to population differences on certain “superficial” traits[/li][li] Studying whether genes might contribute to population differences on non-superficial traits is tantamount to “scientific racism”[/li][li] Almost everyone interested in whether genes might contribute to population differences on these other traits is a “scientific racist”[/li][/ol]

To be blunt, we disagree with all four of Saini’s main theses, as we shall explain in this article.

Yikes.

Furthermore, these differences reflect their divergent geographical origins. In fact, researchers can classify human variation by continent quite accurately using only data from the human skull.

Super fucking yikes! That’s the paragraph that Andy Ngo was defending. Here’s an actual scientist pointing out some of the many issues in that article. And, just for comparison, here’s how an actual news outlet covered the book in question.

This is not the first time Quillette has dabbled in “race science”. Nor should it surprise anyone, because the founding editor, Claire Lehmann, is a notorious fucking racist (and anti-feminist, and transphobe, and all-around competitor for “worst person in Australia”, but this mostly about the racism). She’s been quoted as saying “nationalism is the antidote to racism”, which, given the contents of her publication, seems… totally wrong.

The idea that Quillette is somehow not “alt-right” (read: nazi), despite being founded by the alt-right and parroting alt-right talking points seems a bit silly to me. So let’s run through some of Quillette’s other greatest hits.

It Isn’t Your Imagination: Twitter Treats Conservatives More Harshly Than Liberals - in which Quillette touts a “study” claiming that it found “a list of every prominent individual or political party known to have been banned from Twitter since its founding”, which is a list of 22 people, of which they claim 21 are Trump supporters. The actual list includes David Duke, the American Nazi Party, Gavin McInnes (founder of the terrorist group “the Proud Boys”), and quite a few other prominent fucking nazis.

On the Reality of Race and the Abhorrence of Racism - in which Quillette defends race as a biological category, something you’ll note actual biologists won’t do, but Nazis necesarily must believe.

https://quillette.com/2017/06/11/no-voice-vox-sense-nonsense-discussing-iq-race/ - in which Quillette defends The Bell Curve (fucking really)

Getting Voxed: Charles Murray, Ideology, and the Debate on IQ - in which Quillette continues to defend The Bell Curve, this time by Brian Boutwell, seen here on known neo-nazi Stefan Molyneux’s podcast. Boy, weird that you can find connections like that on a website like this, right? Weird.

Shall I continue? I don’t spend much time reading Quillette, for the same reason I don’t spend much time reading Breitbart - nearly every time I interact with them, it’s because they’re being racist as fuck. But on the whole, Quillette was founded by a neo-nazi who used to work for Rebel Media, is run by her and a handful of other neo-nazis such as Toby Young, and just generally full of exactly the kind of racist shit you’d expect from those people. The idea that this is somehow “controversial” shows how little a great many people have looked into the publication, its history, and its founder. Quillette is the thinking man’s Breitbart News - racism and all. But then, what do you expect from someone who worked for The Rebel Media, an outlet created and run by neo-nazis on what they call a “counter-jihad”. They’re not even very smart - they just manage to look smart for the dumb motherfuckers who decide to spend time there.

Oh hi, SlackerInc, didn’t see you there.

I have not followed any of your links. But I did read your whole post, including the limited number of pull quotes you provided. Immediately after one such excerpt (the one with four numbered points), you wrote only “yikes”. Huh? :confused: The quote in question, while engaging in a controversial area of inquiry, contains nothing that I can see justifying such a response, with no elaboration. (Personally, I would go further and call it spot on.)

This is a long and interesting post which deserves a detailed response. Unfortunately, I’ve only got my phone today so I’m going to have to leave that for another day. However, I must make one point…

The ‘actual scientist’ BPC refers to is a lady called Dianna E Anderson. According to her website she has a BA in English Lit. and an MS (not to be confused with an MSc) in Women’s Studies. She isn’t a scientist. Furthermore, her “critique” totally misses the point of what the Quillette article was actually about.

Anyway, carry on.

Yikes.

What a shock from a self-described racist who has advocated the (evidence-free) hypothesis that black people are inherently genetically intellectually inferior! You really should include this as an addendum to every post you make that’s even tangentially related to race. We wouldn’t want people considering your posts without realizing that you’re a bigot.

So no justification of the now multiple “yikes” is apparently forthcoming. OK then. I can see this will be a fruitful thread. :rolleyes:

Correct. “Pittsburgh” is a more meaningful biological category, in terms of genetic variation, than “black people” (i.e. people in Pittsburgh, or any randomly chosen city, have more genetic similarity, on average, than random “black people” do, on average).

I’m less than convinced this is actually a supposition in Saini’s book – let’s see a cite that the book says this.

Not necessarily, but making bogus assertions about race that just so happen to match the white supremacists’ claims is tantamount to “scientific racism”.

Everyone who makes claims about the supposed inherent genetic intellectual inferiority of black people is making a racist (and unsupported) claim. People actually interested in population genetics understand that categories like “black people” are not useful when it comes to biological classification, and don’t fall into these dumb, obvious and (yes) racist traps.

I believe it, because of the great genetic diversity among those with recent ancestors in sub-Saharan Africa. However, I am sure you could not say the same about Ashkenazi Jews, blue-eyed Caucasians, or people of predominantly East Asian ancestry.

More broadly: you guys need to much more finely calibrate your bigotry detectors. Coincidentally, some asshole just posted the following on a private FB group I belong to:

The Memphis riots and the African American IQ. | Minds?

My response to another member who criticized the author as being a halfwit:

Learn to be a little more discerning about who the bad guys really are, and stop painting with such a broad fucking brush. It’s like you’ve never heard of Chicken Little, or the boy who cried “wolf”. :smack:

In the same thread, I also responded to someone who raised the issue of black children eating lead paint chips:

It’s always about black people. These claims always get around to the supposed inferiority of black people, science and evidence be damned. Once they make these claims about black people, then it’s clear that they’re bigotry based, not science-based.

It’s kind of amazing, really. You just admitted the incredible genetic diversity of sub-Saharan Africans (far, far more so than any other group), and yet you still haven’t renounced your insistence that this most-diverse-of-all group is inherently genetically intellectually inferior. It doesn’t make any sense, and still you cling to this racist bullshit. Which shows that it’s not about science for you. I don’t think it’s about hatred, but whatever it’s about, it’s neither scientific nor positive in any way. Perhaps it’s just about some misguided sense of ethnic pride – you want to feel good about the group you’re in, so somehow you believe other groups must be inferior. I don’t know, but it’s bullshit. Racist, bigoted, pseudoscientific bullshit.

You don’t seem to remember the long debate we had about this previously. I see categorization of all black people into a single “race” as extremely wrongheaded. It’s a simplistic, broad brush label based on a general geographic connection (most of a large continent) and the common factor that this very sunny region has spurred all its populations to develop a high concentration of protective epidermal melanin.

These statements, with which I expect you agree, are not applicable to groups like East Asians who descend from a small band of ultimately wildly successful pilgrims who left Africa millennia ago. They are the ones who have developed certain intellectual strengths that no doubt played a role in their being so successful in exponentially expanding the number of descendants they produced far beyond what any similar sized band who stayed in Africa can boast.

What, you want me to defend the idea that scientific racism is a crock of shit? No, sorry, I think I’d have a more fruitful conversation convincing a flat earther that planes are not secretly sky demons. What else, should I defend that Rebel Media is pretty much just nazis next?

Look, bozo, I don’t expect you to get the “yikes”, because you actually believe all this stupid shit. I left nothing more than a “yikes” there because I assume that most reasonable people can see the problem with the paragraph in question, not because I want to explain to a sealionining racist what exactly I find abhorrent about the claims made. Same thing with the Bell Curve - I’m not particularly interested in a nuanced discussion of why this long-discarded racist relic is bad science; I expect people to notice, “Oh, they’re defending The Bell Curve” and reach the reasonable conclusion that they’re a bunch of racist nitwits. :slight_smile:

I don’t know anything about anyone or any publication mentioned in your post except for Stefan Molyneux. I hear he has moved considerably to the right over the last few years, but I know that he is not a neo-Nazi. This makes me believe you are, once again, full of shit.

My emphases:

♪♫♬ One of these things is not like the others ♪♫♬
♪♫♬ One of these things just doesn’t belong ♪♫♬

It’s cute that you think East Asians lack genetic diversity, or have only had one founding event, or …whatever it is you’re actually trying to say, here.

https://www.genetics.org/content/161/1/269

https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/neanderthal/

I wonder if you have ever noticed that the original cartoon which spawned this “sealioning” concept actually begins with a couple of well dressed white people talking about how much they hate a certain dark-skinned population, that is an identifiable group solely because of a shared genetic inheritance they were born with and cannot change. A member of this population then overhears and, rather than lashing out in anger, politely inquires if they have any substantive reason for this antipathy toward his/her group. The upscale white people are annoyed and refuse to respond to this polite, dark-skinned questioner. :dubious:

But in the age of Trump and his army of hateful, foulmouthed Twitter trolls, this other polite group is the one we should be denouncing? Really?

Furthermore, how have I done anything metaphorically equivalent to pestering you about this in your home, as depicted in the cartoon? You responded to me in a different thread with a link to this one!

Must admit I never got the whole ‘sea-lioning’ thing. In the context of today’s furious, relentless, psychotically abusive “callout culture” he seems like a nice change of pace. Maybe, instead of being polite, he should’ve just turned up with a megaphone and and a placard with ‘NO FREE SPEECH FOR VICTORIANS’ on it and screamed ‘FUCK YOU’ over and over til his voice box popped…

At most, this is wild hypothesizing (and it appears to be based on an incorrect understanding of the facts, if you think there was a single “small band” who settled Asia, rather than a choppy and rather chaotic flow in and out of that and other regions between various populations, including to and from Africa).

But your previous extremely weird mention of “blue eyed Caucasians” demonstrates your true motivation – your own feelings of superiority. The idea that blue eyes mark some sort of special ethnic group crosses beyond dumb pseudoscience into comical self-parody. No one but Aryan-supremacists actually believes that kind of crap.

I don’t think I can add anything to this post to make it sound more stupid. :smiley:

I also don’t think this is the first time I’ve made that exact post in response to something you’ve said.

Great thread, BPC. Really eye-opening.