So you’ve all heard the arguments that claim that racism is not responsible for the disparity between blacks and whites because the disparity is attributable to differences in culture that result in:
higher illegitimacy rates among blacks than whites;
higher criminality as evidenced by higher incarceration rates among blacks than whites;
higher teen pregnancy rates among blacks than whites;
lower educations achievement by blacks compared to whites;
and the list goes on.
And superficially these seem like things that would make a difference in outcomes. Even putting aside the notion that criminality might be a manifestation of racism in the justice system and that teen pregnancy is double counting illegitimacy rates.
Except it doesn’t. Asians have lower illegitimacy rates, lower rates of incarceration, lower teen pregnancy, higher education achievement, etc. If these things had such dramatic effects on outcome then why aren’t asians similarly doing better compared to whites as whites are doing compared to blacks?
I’m not saying that high levels of illegitimacy don’t negatively affect a community but the disparity is pretty large and attributing the entire disparity to something that doesn’t seem to create a a similar disparity between whites and asians, seems like rationalization rather than rational analysis. A hypothesis that doesn’t seem to work well outside of the black/white situation.
Asians weren’t enslaved, although they were imprisoned during WWII. I think some Black/White racism, passed on from generation to generation is due to Whites blaming Blacks for Reconstruction and the impoverishing of many Whites.
It also depends on which sub-group of Asians you’re talking about. Asians from Burma/Myanmar have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, not finishing high school and poverty of any known sub-demographic.
That’s irrelevant. I can find small subgroups of whites with astronomical teen pregnancy nrates and subgroups of blacks with almost non-existent rates. If you want to chop up the group into more bite size pieces, then the asians that remain have even more divergent statistics from whites.
I think the rates of criminality would have to be adjusted for youth, based on parental income. If Daddykins can afford a high priced attorney, the conviction rate drops.
Line up offenders, black and white, and compare like crimes. Do they receive identical sentences. I don’t think so.
The comparison of black vs white is far too complex to be answered in a mere message board discourse.
My comment was that if whites are so much better off than blacks because of these factors, then why aren’t asians much better off than whites? By a lot of measures, whites have very high levels of incarceration, criminality, illegitimacy, teen =pregnancy, all things that are supposed to explain the yawning gap between blacks and whites. Why isn’t there much of a gap between whites and asians?
Do asian daddykins have access to better attorneys than whites?
Why isn’t the gap between white and aisna criminality propelling asians into higher income brackets than whites?
Your comments about racism in the criminal justice system is already addressed in the OP. We are going to ignore it for now because it’s not really relevant.
Normally just linking a 15 page wiki article about statistics without an explanation invites questions about what point you are trying to make. The article says several things. Which thing are you trying to point out and how is it relevant to this thread?
Just spitballin’ here, but maybe those arguments are wrong and racism IS responsible for (at least part of) the disparity between Blacks and Whites. Perhaps there’s even racism against Asians.
Hard to imagine that a Conservative argument regarding racism is incorrect, I know, but you can do it if you try.
I don’t think we disagree. I am saying that if those things are the reason fro the black/white disparity then you would expect a similar white/asian disparity, but you don’t. I would add that there isn’t merely negative discrimination against blacks (and asians) but there might be positive privilege effects affirmatively benefitting whites.
I think most conservative argument regarding racism is whataboutism.
Actually, I have never heard those arguments because I would stop listening as soon as a hateful racist brought the subject up. Usually when someone tries to bring that up I explain how the disparity between he and I is because he is stupid, insecure, and weak minded.
I’m pretty sure that these arguments are pretty frequently presented in great debates, you have participated in those debates. You have not called people stupid there with any regularity.
I get the feeling that you didn’t read the post.