Racism And Doughnut Holes

My grandfather and my granduncle are both dead now, and have been for many years. I loved 'em both dearly and I remember 'em fondly… but today, I remember a thing that makes me remember this: The past is a foreign country. Things were not then as they are now.

Grandfather and Granduncle were brothers, and they grew up in the same little town in Texas. Granduncle was a baker, and owned his own bakery. Grandfather was a surveyor at the time; this would have been in the late 1920s, if I am right. Maybe the thirties. Like I said, I wasn’t there.

Anyway, Granduncle owned a bakery, and one day, he had a box of day old doughnuts he was about to toss out. Grandfather was around at the time, for some reason. And a black fellow that they knew asked – since the doughnuts were going to be trash anyway – would it be all right if he, um, sort of *liberated *them from the trash?

Well, Granduncle was a sporting sort, and so he handed the guy the box, and made a crack about “They’re all yours, bud, just make sure to bring back the holes so I can wrap tomorrow’s doughnuts around them!”

And nothing more was said. Until the next day, the black fellow brought back the box of doughnuts. Carefully eaten in such a way as to preserve a bare edge of doughnut hole, a tightly nibbled ring of sugary confection around each hole.

Well, this is where Grandfather and Granduncle parted ways. Granduncle was horrified. He’d been kidding… never expected anything like this… and abruptly, it got pounded in on him rather hard that he lived in a world where a black chap could not ignore a white man’s joke in safety. Sure, White Man was PROBABLY kidding… and Granduncle had a very easygoing reputation… but… what if the White Man wants to make an issue of it? What if he wants to raise a stink the next day? “Hey, boy,” he might say, “I told you to bring back my doughnut holes. WHERE ARE MY HOLES, BOY?”

Granduncle was rocked pretty hard by this. He had grown up in an era of easy racism, sure, but it’s one thing to hear about it from one’s white friends and relatives, and another to be confronted with the stark patheticness of its results.

Grandfather, on the other hand, thought it was hilarious. HA, ha, ha! That silly negro! That simpleton! He did not understand the joke! HE took it SERIOUSLY! Ha, ha! He really thought Brother needed the holes to wrap new doughnuts around for tomorrow’s batch! Oh, my lord, the hilarity of simple, silly negroes! And he told that story for years afterwards.

It did not get the laughs in the seventies that it apparently had in the thirties and forties, for some reason.

And the one time I heard it from my granduncle… well, Granduncle didn’t seem to think the story was very funny at all.

I’m glad they both told me the story, though. I was born in the early sixties, when the Civil Rights movement was picking up steam, and by the time I was old enough to tell the difference between my classmates’ skin tones, the N-word was being discouraged, and race baiting was SEVERELY frowned upon, even in deep south Texas. I didn’t understand any of this, of course. “Selma” to me, was a woman’s name, and Martin Luther King Jr. was some guy who made big speeches in public places. And then, he kind of disappeared. All I was told was that I shouldn’t give black kids a hard time for being black, which considering I was a child, never really occurred to me in the first place.

Mine was the first generation, perhaps, in Texas, to have their racism training kind of short circuited at an early point. Years later, when I heard of cross burnings and lynchings, I was stunned. Things like this HAPPENED? And people I actually know PARTICIPATED IN THIS insanity?

Well, yeah. And while my grandfather never wore a sheet or burned any crosses, he did have a firmly established set of beliefs… beliefs shaped by the time in which HE grew up. And by my standards, those beliefs were… and are… pretty harsh things. We need to make a point of not forgetting these stories, though. No matter WHAT color any of us happens to be. Forgetting this stuff makes us ALL the more ignorant… and more prone to it happening again, in some form or fashion.

See, and I laughed, because I thought the guy was playing along with the joke. :confused: I guess that says something about the atmosphere of race relations I was raised in, but I’m not sure what. An assumption that white and black men can joke together? Yes, I suppose I do carry that assumption.

While I understood your interpretation immediately as it was being explained, it’s not where I went first.

I was mostly surprised it was about actual doughnut holes. I thought it would be about Medicare.

Well, you’d be the hippie great-aunt who went off to New Mexico to live on the commune and make pottery.

I saw it the same way. Perhaps this should be seen as a sign of progress. The idea that any black person would need to be scared of a joke being serious is just as foreign to us as the idea that “them Negroes is so stupid.”

It’s also the exact type of joke I might have done. I love squeezing humor out of taking jokes seriously.

When you bring a box of six doughnut holes back that afternoon or on your lunch break, that’s playing along with the joke.

When you bring a box of thirtysomeodd doughnut holes back at five in the morning, that’s a different matter entirely.

Perhaps I should have included this information in the OP. Granduncle did. Grandfather generally omitted these facts in his version.

This sounded like something that may have started as six donut holes and got up to 30 in later tellings for increased hilarity. Well, I don’t know your great-uncle or grandfather, but I have relatives in Texas.

Also, off topic but: Granduncle? I have literally never heard any literate person use that term before. Nor illiterate either come to think of it.

Well, this is undoubtedly true…

The OP is acknowledging a good point. A lot of racism is just based on looking at the surface and seeing what you want to see. And not stopping to think that you might only be seeing what people want to show you.

Back during the depression, one work project was having people conduct interviews of people who had been involved in history. Some of the interview subjects were elderly black people who had been slaves back before the civil war.

The authors of the book I was reading contrasted two different interviews of the same woman; one by a black interviewer and the other by a white interviewer. The responses the woman gave to these two interviewers were so different that you would hardly know they had spoken to the same woman.

It’s a perfectly [standard word.](Chiriqui Grande (sight record).) Great-uncle is also used, but I don’t hear it much.

So what word do you use to indicate this relationship? Most people (myself included) just call their granduncles “uncles” and don’t usually make the distinction.

Although I’m older than the OP, the racism I remember as a child in Ohio was slightly more subtle than what existed in Texas. But it still makes me squirm to remember it. Sure, we watched *Amos ‘n’ Andy *on early 50s TV, but never looked down on the characters. We laughed with them because what they said and did was funny. And I remember my uncle always referring to blacks as *shvartzes, *although he was basically an intelligent, generous person.

And I squirm, when I think of the black guy nibbling around the donut holes . . . not going along with the joke, but out of fear.

We are all, to an extent, tied to the times and places we live in. And as the times change, our attitudes and actions change accordingly. Some of us sooner than others.

Grew in the telling? It is possible. The Wang-Ka clan has Irish in its ancestry. On the other hand, in my granduncle’s telling of the story, he squirmed to think of the man’s children carefully eating around the holes. He seemed to think there were enough doughnuts there to feed a family. But I was not there, and do not know.

He was my grandfather’s older brother. I suppose I could use the term “great uncle,” but the family always referred to him as my granduncle, and I adopted the term. No one ever seems to have misunderstood me.

My baby sister called him Grankle, pronounced GRANG-kull, which amused everyone to no end. She was good with inventing contractions to eliminate what she thought of as unnecessary syllables.

It probably varies by region - I understood “granduncle” just fine, but I always hear “great uncle” when a distinction needs to be made.

Growing up in the West, I also assumed that the black fellow was continuing the joke.

Where I grew up, one of my neighbors was an airman in WWII. I loved to listen to his stories of the air combat in Europe. It was not until recently that I realized, that in some places in The States, it is important to also mention that he is a black man as well as a pilot. To many folks, this part is very important.

Where can I find information on this project & what is the name of the book?

TIA, 48.