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[peekercpa]

@TexCat

vote peeker
for being so cagey about his name and parenthetical description (which we still don’t know). It’s distracting town at best, scummy as hell at worst.

and apparantly my subsequent participation has not transcended your sphere of comprehension. that is okay.

when i first started playing this game it was more “standard”. subtle insinuations and conversations were the norm. there weren’t a whole ton of power roles or confirmable alignments. you had to work to win. and work did not mean slogging through a page or two of folks claiming, etc. and then just latching on to the one that seemed to be the most believable. the game was “unsolvable” unless you were willing to really get at it.

take the old games. the winners won because they were deep thinkers not because they had powers. was it cookies who slogged through pages and pages of data to reach a correct decision in the absence of any easy answers? i know that sach advertised this game to be newb friendly. i don’t think that newb friendly equates to no subtlety.

so if you believe that approach to be “distracting at best” or “scummy at worst” then i suggest you play sudoku with 78 of the 81 squares already filled in.

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

@Oredigger77

I’m kind of curious why OAOW got so many votes for picking up on the spelling error but Meeko dropped what appeared to be PIS and got a pass. Personally I read his original post about the scum knowing all about each other and I thought it was a slip. Of course it’s been explained now but I think it’s interesting that it was ignored.

I’m curious about something else I’ve noticed.

First, though, I really don’t think, read in context, that Meeko said anything that would belie his subsequent explanations. Here’s what he said:

[QUOTE=Meeko]
5.Scum know who each other are.
5b.They know the name and [occupation / race / job ] of their role.
5d.It is a simple matter of deduction at that point, to find out the common thread.
5e.They already know more from the names than we do, simply by comparing notes, that were placed out in the open.
5f.This doesn’t happen if Scum suggest we don’t claim
[/QUOTE]

If you find him suspicious based on the above, it has to be entirely because of the ambiguity of his use of the plural “they” in the second point. Grammatically speaking he would have had to be talking about multiple people, although following along with the entire post it’s fairly obvious that he meant each scum individually. So OK, if you’re suspicious of that I’ll agree that there’s certainly a way to read that as suggestive, but my question is: in what way was it “ignored?” He was questioned at length and voted for it, and multiple people have commented on the possibility of a slip. Yet (despite the fact that you say you noticed it and didn’t say anything) you find it “interesting that it was ignored.” What did you want to see happen?

But so anyway, my main point here is about this “curious why OAOW got so many votes” theme that I’ve seen a few times now in addition to from Oredigger:

[QUOTE=Kelly]
And I can’t believe the heat that Wanderers is copping for latching on to that typo
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeriel]
and I’m completely dumbfounded by people voting for OaOW for pointing it out.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
But why suspect the person who notices them? That’s a big WTF from me.
[/QUOTE]

I’m on board with anybody who says it wasn’t very much of a big deal to begin with, but it’s strange to me that so relatively many people express such hyperbolic bemusement about it. “So many votes,” “can’t believe the heat,” “completely dumbfounded,” and all that. Kind of strange considering that one vote was for pointing out the typo, one was for a perceived attempt to fish out information about Chronos’ claim, and one was Meeko’s vote when he found out that he had also posted a typo but that had been ignored in favor of going after NAF for a typo. So one vote was actually cast for that specific reason (and three total), yet four people are bewildered by the outrage at Wanderers for merely pointing out a typo.

[peekercpa]

and i’ll make this easy.

everyone claim their true alignment.

if you lie then you never get to play in a game again that the non liars participate in.

i am town.

this beast should be over by the end of the Day.

[peekercpa]

@peekercpa

oh for goodness’ sakes. yes i am the wicked witch of the west. i am a witch and i win with the town.

@TexCat

vote peeker
for being so cagey about his name and parenthetical description (which we still don’t know). It’s distracting town at best, scummy as hell at worst.

what part of the first do you not get?

gd, are you channelling drain?

crud it was just a little further up on the current page.

[peekercpa]

Yesterday at 10:26pm, Special Ed wrote:and good game, pede. We really stunk it up as Scum. Either that or the masons could read our minds.

It was all peek. Fucking genius that he is fcs!

First I muffed the paul accusation . Then I went after fluid , and pushed peek to do so as well .

Peek pretty much called out all the scum.
yeh, i am anti town

[One_And_Only_Wanderers]

@peekercpa

Yesterday at 10:26pm, Special Ed wrote:and good game, pede. We really stunk it up as Scum. Either that or the masons could read our minds.

It was all peek. Fucking genius that he is fcs!

First I muffed the paul accusation . Then I went after fluid , and pushed peek to do so as well .

Peek pretty much called out all the scum.
yeh, i am anti town

being town in that game doesn’t make you town in this game. Th etryst metre pegs back to 0 and you have to start all over gaain!

For the record, I am town.

[storyteller0910]

@Jimmy_Chitwood

I’m on board with anybody who says it wasn’t very much of a big deal to begin with, but it’s strange to me that so relatively many people express such hyperbolic bemusement about it. “So many votes,” “can’t believe the heat,” “completely dumbfounded,” and all that.

I agree with this.

[Tom_Scud]

Multi-page catchup, ahoy!

Looks like the only real information to come out of the name claim is that some players are Fictional, which probably interacts in some way with a power role (either there are roles that can’t target Fictional characters, or can only target Fictional characters, or there’s an investigative role that can tell whether a player is Fictional or not). I tend to agree with the players (MHaye, story, peeker, probably others) arguing that there’s not likely to be much if any correspondence between roles and names. The Typo Two might be more likely to be unfalsified claims, but I wouldn’t hang a whole lot on that.

Meeko: I like the outline format - it makes your posts much easier to follow.

On the OaOW vs. NAF vs. others front, OaOW is feeling more like a zealous Townie than a scum; I took a hard look at Jimmy and Meeko’s votes, but neither of them looks to me like an opportunistic pile-on.

Kelly’s vote-unvote looks worse, as NAF pointed out; I’d be inclined to vote him, at least until a better Day 1 case came along, but (a) I still feel inclined to extend some near-noob credit and (b) I’ve got a better Day 1 case already, to wit:

I really don’t understand why TexCat voted peeker when he voted him. To my eyes, peeker was perfectly clear about his role the second time he mentioned it (that is, after the youtube link); even for those who were confused at that point, I don’t see how they possibly could have been after his exchange with red at 302-303; he explicitly mentions his profession in 303 (“i am a witch and i win with town”). Especially since TexCat earlier said (208) that he saw no particular advantage to copy-pasting.

So it looks to me like TexCat has found a controversial player who’d already been attracting some heat and decided to see if he could get a wagon to form there.

vote TexCat

[Chronos]

peeker, the problem isn’t that you’re being subtle, it’s that you’re being subtle in a way that would benefit Scum but not Town. Yeah, people have to do a lot of work to figure out who’s Scum, but that doesn’t justify making it harder. Take your name-claim, for instance: You didn’t do anything that was recognizable as a claim until relatively late, but when you did, you tried to make it look like you’d claimed early. A Scum would love to do that: Claiming late lets you see what everyone else is saying and make sure that what you’re claiming is consistent with them, or gives you time to make up something that looks consistent. But on the other hand, claiming early can give you some amount of Town cred. By doing something obfuscated like posting a YouTube video and then later trying to say that it was a claim, it looks like you’re trying to get the best of both worlds.

[Oredigger77]

@Jimmy_Chitwood

If you find him suspicious based on the above, it has to be entirely because of the ambiguity of his use of the plural “they” in the second point. Grammatically speaking he would have had to be talking about multiple people, although following along with the entire post it’s fairly obvious that he meant each scum individually.

Well, I disagree that it is obvious that they referred to a single player but after Meeko’s explanation I now see that as what he meant. Since I don’t see the second option as the obvious read I wondered why everyone didn’t react like I did, with my eyebrows starting to climb down the back of my neck. Since I wasn’t around when the initial post was made I got to see the explanation before I posted but I do wonder about the people who saw it live.

@Jimmy_Chitwood

So OK, if you’re suspicious of that I’ll agree that there’s certainly a way to read that as suggestive, but my question is: in what way was it “ignored?” He was questioned at length and voted for it, and multiple people have commented on the possibility of a slip. Yet (despite the fact that you say you noticed it and didn’t say anything) you find it “interesting that it was ignored.” What did you want to see happen?

Here’s a quick summary of the posts involved that make up not ignoring it.

Meeko posted the interesting bit yesterday morning #244. Afterwards Special Ed was the first to comment on it in #249 asking if it was PIS or common knowledge and answering his own question in #251. No one else commented until Meeko in #268. Chronos comes in with his take in #272. Then Special Ed comes back #274. Meeko replies in #278 & 279 and him and Ed go back and forth until #285 when Mahaloth comes in with a comment which Rysto follows up in #286. OAOW comments about secret scum not knowing each other in #287. Mahaloth answers Rysto’s question in #294. Zeriel comments in #297. Meeko and Mahaloth both comment in #298 & #299 respectively.
So, there were 18 posts discussing it in the 64 posts between when it happened and when I commented. Most of those posts were by Special Ed and Meeko with Mahaloth being in third with 3 posts. I am surprised that no more than 6 people had a comment on it. Now that it’s explained I don’t expect anything to happen and after going through the posts I think the lack of comments was due to timing since Peeker, Story, Jimmy, Freudian, Drain, Tex, Tom, Kelly and Red were the only other people on and having 40% comment on any single issue is actually pretty good.

@Jimmy_Chitwood

But so anyway, my main point here is about this “curious why OAOW got so many votes” theme that I’ve seen a few times now in addition to from Oredigger

Well, considering that of the two votes in place right now OAOW has both of them and has been as high as 3 out of ~8 votes cast. I’d say that’s a good definition of so many votes.

[peekercpa]

and maybe chronos we are going to have to agree to disagree. your conclusion and suppostions are wrong.

i guess the whole point is if we want to play p-k mafia that’s cool but it is just not where i am at. so no blood no foul. if you want to lynch my ass for playing more nuanced than in your face, then that is your perogative.

and i am sorry if you can’t be arsed to play the game. but look at the title of the video. if that is not clear enough followed with confirming posts then i really can’t help you much. so i didn’t claim late, i claimed early. so yeh, this is weak cheese. but it’s what i would expect from scum or non thinking townie on this board. either way, it helps town.

i mean did no one else catch it? if there is not one person that didn’t catch it then i will totally retract. but if even one other person caught it then chronos is full of crud and that is where my vote will go.

let’s see if anyone else agrees with you chronos that my claim could not be inferred.

[peekercpa]

sorry, od. i thought it kind of interesting but certainly not indicative one way or the other. the fact you picked up on it means somewhat less since we all saw it. the fact that you caught a ration of crud for seeing it and commenting on it a little more. sorry, my friend, i am kind of embroiled in my own little imbraglio currently.

[Zeriel]

@peekercpa

i guess the whole point is if we want to play p-k mafia that’s cool but it is just not where i am at. so no blood no foul. if you want to lynch my ass for playing more nuanced than in your face, then that is your perogative.

“Nuanced” does not mean “obtuse” or “ambiguous”.

and i am sorry if you can’t be arsed to play the game.

“i am sorry” that you can’t be arsed to make your damn thoughts clear with a minimum of clowning around.

let’s see if anyone else agrees with you chronos that my claim could not be inferred.

It was sufficiently ambiguous that it might well have been a joke coming from you. You are not known for your straightforwardness.

You referred to Cookies plowing through pages of evidence to win a game early on. That’s fine and good–when there IS evidence. We as town are trying to get you to be straightforward and direct so that we CAN effectively evaluate you and play the game. When you screw around with games and gambits 100% of the time you cannot be trusted to be anything but an (anti-town) distraction.

[special_ed]

@peekercpa

Yesterday at 10:26pm, Special Ed wrote:and good game, pede. We really stunk it up as Scum. Either that or the masons could read our minds.

It was all peek. Fucking genius that he is fcs!

First I muffed the paul accusation . Then I went after fluid , and pushed peek to do so as well .

Peek pretty much called out all the scum.
yeh, i am anti town

Just one word, Peek:

Colorless

[peekercpa]

@special_ed

Just one word, Peek:

Colorless

two words.

fuck you.

seriously, ed and anyone else, was it pretty durn clear what i was after the video link and subsequent follow up? and since we have kind of determined that it don’t mean jack what up? shoot it’s Day one and i kind of figured let’s loosen the crowd up. i mean if someone gets impacted over it then shoot, not my prob.

[Mahaloth]

Yeesh, people. Peeker is going to be obtuse, frustrating, and annoying. It’s why we love him so.

Just deal with it at this point and move on to looking for scum motivations. If you think his behavior is anti-town, then vote for him. Don’t poke him. It only makes him more frustrating.

[Freudian_Slit]

peeker, WTF? I don’t think it was “durn clear” to ANYONE since so many of us have come up with different explanations.

[sachertorte]

Peeker.
I think you were kidding, and hopefully ed thinks you were kidding, but knock it off.

[peekercpa]

@sachertorte

Peeker.
I think you were kidding, and hopefully ed thinks you were kidding, but knock it off.

huh?

seriously, if every time that ed and i suggested that we perform some sort of sexual act on ourselves was an actual rl feeling we would be self confirmed hermaphroditical auto erotical types of beings.

but whatever.

peace ed?

[TexCat]

Seems like more than a few people agree with me that peeker’s claim was not clear. peeker seems to be saying that he intended it to be unclear, so that we would have to work for it or just cause he thinks it makes a better game to be obtuse?

As soon as I voted, Red Skeez and Tom Scud voted for me. It seems like the thing that draws the most suspicion in this town is voting. When OaOW voted, he immediately drew a bunch of votes. And when I voted, the same thing.