just to make it clear for those that can’t put it together. i am the green one with a real big ass black hat.
and it is maggie, but not as in thatcher.
even though some from the other side of the pond might ascribe said role to her.
Peeker, honestly, it wasn’t clear after the video. I usually skip links in posts, and even though I looked at that one, I thought you were just making some odd kind of joke that I didn’t understand.
Yes, I felt like he was kidding and took no offense.
ok. then my bad. i am the wicked witch of the west. i am a witch and win with the town.
i am unclear how i can be more direct. i’ve got some pms from our mod that are not real uber helpful but will gladly post if that helps the rest of you folks understand that i am the wicked witch of the west. btw, i am a witch and win with the town.
so yeh, ed i was kidding when i said fuck you. it was not personal.
i was merely trying to convey that i am the wicked witch of the west. i am a witch and win with the town.
so apologies to all for any offense given. remember i am merely the wicked witch of the west. and if it is at all helpful, i am a witch and win with the town.
signed.
wicked witch of the west. yep, i am the witch that wins with the town.
Sorry for my lack of participation in the last couple of days - rl issues.
Re: Peeker and transparency: Peeker was the second player to claim and, at that time, there was no standard claim format established. I don’t see his attempt at subtlety or his continued reluctance to share his PM as helping scum.
Re: Meeko and scum knowing who the other scum are: I wonder if scum only knew each other’s character name and not each other’s username. This could support Meeko’s concern that the name claim was scum driven (to avoid accidentally lynching a fellow-scum Day1) but does not explain the general acceptance of Rysto’s suggestion.
Re: random roles/characters. Always interested in analyzing the color, I find it curious that the two French characters were contemporaries and one of them (Guy de Maupassant) hated the other’s (Gustave Eiffel) most famous work. Should I be worried about Special Ed? Or just a coincidence?
nope, never said it was intended to be unclear. said it was to force folks to think and not be fed pablum to make their decisions. please don’t mis characterize posts. or do so, but at your own peril.
woot woot.
got another live one.
vote texcat
this post has been endorsed by the committee to support posts made by the wicked witch of the west. a witch that is town aligned.
i am peek and i support the preceding announcement.
And I think it’s interesting how many people assumed it was a slip. Honestly, has anyone here ever played in a game (especially one that purports to be “newbie friendly”) where the Scum didn’t know who one another were when the game started? That’s all that Meeko was saying–that the Scum got the names of the other Scum in their role PM. I suppose it’s not a 100% certainty, but it’s as close to certain info as any random Town player is going to have at the start of the Day. I can see how maybe, MAYBE, you can misinterpret his second statement to construe that the Scum know what one another’s roles are, but I think it’s more likely that the plural construction was used to avoid the awkward “he or she” sort of thing. And even then, I think in a lot of cases the Scum DO know what one another’s roles are at first–I am pretty sure that the only game I’ve ever played in where I was Scum and didn’t know what roles the other Scum had until Night 1 was Colorless. So all in all, I don’t think Meeko was doing anything wrong there.
Not to mention our discussions over the last few games that people who call other people out on supposed PIS slips are more frequently Scum (e.g. Rysto in Cecil Pond). I think I’m comfortable at this point voting for you, and if the last few games are any example, I’ll quickly pick up a few votes for this and end up having been right about it the whole time.
vote Oredigger
I stated that I have already.
Ped hosted the Crimson Glyph game where I was scum and we had no idea who were our partners. We waited for us to “sign-in” on the scum board during Night Zero or Night One and found each other. I had thought that we were under supplied until we found out that one of us was dropping out.
I think JoeyP and Rysto were scums with me in that game? I don’t remember, actually.
Anyway, it makes sense in a game with no Night Zero and restricted scum communication for them to know, but we can’t know for sure.
Anyway, moving on(again).
Just to add in, because I can, I think the first three games that I ran didn’t tell scum who their buddies were in their PM. Of course I never waited until Night 1 to tell them, that would be silly and borderline bastardy, but I did play in at least one game (maybe two) where a member of the scum team intentionally went into Night One without checking in to the scum boards so he couldn’t find out who his team mates were.
Does any of this mean anything? No. But I feel like I haven’t had a reason to post in a while and that makes me sad. Also, I sort of agree with DB. I don’t think that the vote on Ore is as strong a vote as my current vote though.
Wow.
Apparently, I pick the worst nights to go out and do stuff.
Let me catch up gang.
OOG :: I put in a few hours on my new job today. more information there, when I get it. If anyone cares.
Mother Flipping
T H I S
I was gonna multi quote a few things, but this takes the cake on all of them. I will have more to say in a separate post here in a second. But let me set all of that aside.
Peeker: Believe it or not, I do not have a “confuse town” switch. I come as is. That is my problem. I own that. It is mine. It causes me and drives me to look for better ways to play. I know I will get there one day.
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Yours is not mine.**
I made a similar statement about the “Church of Peeker” back in Colorless, I believe [These games are starting to blend together.] At the time I made that statement, I had a good idea of how things worked. I wanted to believe that we were similar, but not identical. I wanted to believe I would be better off from separating from the “double e” cult.
Peeker. I think I am living proof that one can re-invent themselves in Mafia.
[Pond started off great for me, and here I am to re-invnent yet again. – After I told Chronos and Pede BOTH that would probably never play Mafia ever again.]
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Turn off your confuse town switch**. It has gotten old, real fast. Your additional seasonings, or what ever you use to “spice” up your post, is not needed.
I would try for better words here Peeker, but I know you know what I mean.
You indirectly insult me.
You indirectly insult other people with ADHD like me. (There are different types of ADHD.)
You make it a hinderance to play with.
You ask for people not to lie in Mafia, and if that would happen, the game would be over in one day.
Did you ever consider that your additional additions to your “peeker” style of play lies for you?
Peeker, I now believe that you add confusion into an otherwise streamlined and “good” style of play.
It does nothing for you.
It probably is not doing what you want it to do.
Insanity is the act of doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.
I could be wrong here.
But, If I am not, I am asking you,
Please stop “enhancing” your game.
It’s not working.
don’t really have jack to add but i am going to love this new posting mechanism.
thanks freud this is like major cool.
the previous message was brought to you be the wicked witch of the west. a witch and town aligned.
i am peek and is support the previous message.
this is so fucking cool.
neta: “is support”. wtf up wit dat.
this correction is funded by a grant from the folks to support the wicked witch of the west. a witch that is town aligned.
i am peek and i support the previous message. except for the typos, of course. gd, college kids they have a lot of enthusiasm but not much in the way of proof reading.
meeko take a hit and chill.
this message is brought to you by the wicked witch of the west. a witch that is town aligned.
Here is my second post that I said was coming.
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Posts are snipped, and I am watching 24. All of that to say, this might get confusing and or disconnected.**
Bear with me, it’s not like I’m Peeker.
As always, I encourage questions, and I intend to be as clear as I can be, first time out.
A lot of seemingly Random quotes follow. I intend to address a few things and put them all in one place for convenience.
Take any or all as you need it, but don’t take them all at once. Prolonged exposure to Meeko has caused nervous twitches facial tics in laboratory animals.
Chronos 1. I do have such a tendency. It would suck if none of us could take anything from past games and snowball them into a better mafia player. Then again, that would explain my frustrations with thinking that I was getting better.
Chronos 1b. If we can’t take certain parts of Mafia “as certain” how do we expect to get better in our play?
Chronos 2: I am glad you can use my current play as an example. I would like to think that NAF is a power role and is protection. Period. On top of that, it would be nice to have a Protection role from an arguably “fitting” role name. I am not voting NAF based on that assumption. It could change later. But, it is still day 1, and its better than par for the course in terms of day 1 rationales.
Chronos 3: I will take “All Meeko Tells are Null Tells” as a compliment. At least for now. If I could have phrased my “I have room for benefit of the doubt” post that I made earlier, I would probably have included “null tell”. It is always when someone else uses the right words, that I can, in hindsight go :smack: :smack: :smack: That’s what I should have said.
Wow. I am really glad I don’t play scrabble with you guys.
:smack: Yes, “belie subsequent explanations” would have been a better phrase. Again, I :smack: in hindsight. But at least the outline mechanic is working. More on that when I get to it.
And it looks as if I am already here.
Tom Scud 1: It is a bit more work for me, but I think it works. If nothing else, it has an ““Address”” to refer back to things I say. Not saying that we should all play this way, but, given how I am at my baseline, and how I am with ambigious language, I think I need it. I doubt that Peeker would agree to such a straightjacket.
Tom Scud 2: That being said, this is the first game I am trying it out in. I can’t really explain how I came across the idea. But again, I wasn’t all too sure about how I came across my opening plays of Pond.
Tom Scud 2b: All of that to say, treat Meeko Outlines as being currently in Beta.
Tom Scub 2c: There are certain instances where an outline fits, and other instances where it doesn’t. I don’t see how I could outline an one “thought” answer to a single question. It’s gonna be touch and go on the outlines, but I think it works [and thanks to Jim Chit and “belie”] it is working.
I think Scum will use it to hang me on minor and minorer things now, but I think it helps Town more. Hopefully I will always play in games with better town players than Scum players. Each player can only work [play in / offer ideas / out forth effort] so much in a mafia game. I think I am near my current max, until I can get more "“handles” or perspectives on Mafia.
**Town will need to meet me half way on my outlines. ** I can’t think for you guys.
I hope I understand Digger here. I take this an endorsement towards my outlines?
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We now interupt this program to bring you some Peeker Bashing.
Peeker, we can be arsed to play the game.
**Can you? **
oh yeah, and posting a Video isn’t playing the game.
I check in on the game from time to time on my Ipod Touch. I know other people play mobile as well. [IIRC, one player had issues with his blackberry in one of the more recent games.]
Guiri 1 : Yeah, I’m not trying to play two games here. That is, I’m not Scum trying to play Town. However, I just felt that claiming netted nothing for town. Full Stop. I don’t think I made the points you are referring to after that. Some of which include :
I agree that the claim could have been scum driven. Didn’t think about scum wanting to avoid a ““Scum mislynch””. Good point, and I agree in principle.
I just wonder why you bring it up. Innocnet town addition to another townie’s work? Or PIS?
Guiri 2: I won’t hold your “Random roles/ characters” paragraph against you, don’t hold mine [NAF] against me.
But, at a certain point in time, we need to understand what ““Random”” means for our game.
That will be as easy as nailing Jello to a tree.
Peeker, there are ways, and then there are ways to get a point across. Try more of one way, and less of your default.
Words in Mafia are cheap. “Actions” count.
If we mischaracterize you, you do own part of it, if you knowingly chose ambigious words and / or add on to a “Standard” post with embelishments that do nothing to the case you are building. We do not need things to be sugar coated.
Youtube videos, or what ever it is you linked to would be a 5 pound bag of sugar.
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Sorry if that took forever. But it all needed to be said.
At least you guys have the luxury of skimming it. I had to actually write it all.
Again, ask questions.
And I’m gonna risk not previewing this entire monstrosity. Not like you guys read it anyway.
If we have issues with this post, bring them up, and I will account for them then. I need to cut down on my post counts.
RSVP on understanding my post, Regrets only.
Red is asking peek to clarify his claim…
peeker replies…
Red quotes the above reply, and then says…
I vote peeker:
and now Red, who has clearly been distracted by peeker, immediately responds with a vote:
Seems like a bit of a contradiction to me. Clearly, peeker has been a distraction. Red doesn’t seem to find anything scummy in the distraction. I’m not so sure. But why does Red think that my vote is worthy of a vote? I thought my vote was not a horrible day 1 vote. Is this some kind of scummy OMGUS? I voted Red’s scum partner and so Red voted me? At the risk of picking up 3 more votes because I am voting…
unvote: peeker
vote: Red Skeez
Meeko, I think this post was great.
You addressed several issues. You stayed on topic. You avoided confusing analogies.
This is a good example of how you contribute to helping us understand you.
One small comment I have is this:
Too often when people ask you questions, you take a defensive stance. You pout and complain about being baited.
If you approach the questions asked of you in the same fashion as you approach people asking other people questions, then I think you’ll find it much easier to get your point across
a few comments on the peeker issue/kerfluffle/debacle:
I’ve played 1 game with peeker as Scum (Smash Bros I). In that game , he made it a point to mention that he likes sowing confusion. Granted, I did a better job of that than he did.
I recall a game after that (NSFW) where I outed peeker as Scum because he was particularly not confusing.
I’ve never been a Mason with peeker, though I’ve now read a thread where he was. He didn’t want to be confusing, I think, but, wow, his mason claim in the game thread was about as unclear as possible.
My conclusion: Peeker is often confusing. I think it makes it difficult to understand him. I think it causes unnecessary distractions. I think the confusion probably benefits Scum in the long run, but I don’t think it’s easy to reach a conclusion on his alignment one way or another from that.
yaknow this is metagame as all heck but …
i am gonna give skeez a wee bit of lattitude at this point. feel free to jump on my ass as conditions warrant. we just got through smoking scum as masons. so he get’s about a twelve hour window (sorry dude that’s the way it works). i mean shit even ed was going to give me fifteen minutes.
and meek if you think i am picking on you, i am not. but i can’t change the way you feel.
and i really don’t get why on this board my playstyle is deemed to be anti town. i made the comment on idle’s board and i will make it again. too many folks want orderly nonsense to be the play of the day. that’s what scum want. predictability that can be manipulated. it’s why i said what i said about power rolls (cloverleaf preferrably). town have gotten too accustomed to letting shit come to them as opposed to let’s take it to the scum, fgs.
my two cents, and the soapbox is back in play.
OK, back home with my notes. It’s funny, just the act of taking the notes helps me pay better attention to the game.
A few points: First, a few pages back, from Freudian, post 270:
That looks to me like a vanilla claim, and Freudian is a good enough player that she should know better than to claim a role, even just vanilla, without reason. Care to explain?
Moving on: I’m currently voting for someone for making a weak vote. But then peeker goes and votes TexCat, apparently for trying to make sense of his gibberish (which it looks to me like he’s saying we should all be doing), saying that in doing so TexCat mischaracterized him. Well, peeker, when you make yourself hard to understand, it’s inevitable that some folks will understand you incorrectly. Nor is it just a matter that that’s just the way he is: He’s proven in previous games that he is able to write coherently; he just apparently chooses for some reason not to. Given that all Wanderers did was cast a weak vote, but that peeker has both cast a weak vote and is adding considerably to the noise in the thread, I think the latter is a better lynch right now.
Unvote Wanderers
Vote peeker
Moving yet further along, I’m also suspicious of Guiri. He says that peeker was the second to claim, but the earliest point at which peeker could be said to have claimed was post 174, by which time special ed (140), Freudian Slit (154), Tom Scud (155), Oredigger (156), NAF (157), Red Skeezix (159), TexCat (160), Chronos (161), Mahaloth (162), Drain Bead (166), and Meeko (168) had all claimed. I’m having a hard time seeing why anyone would defend peeker on this point, so I’m also suspicious of Guiri.