Funny, I don’t see my name in that thread, and everyone who is “my type” expresses a wish for minimal casualties in Iraq. Anyone who wishes for casualties is in no fucking way “my type.”
Your formula of “humiliation+word of mouth” will also go a long way toward fucking up that whole “hearts and minds” stuff that they teach in war college. Not to mention the recruitment advantage it provides to bin Laden, et. al.
And don’t be so quick to deny “honor” to any people, because that’s what George keeps saying we’re over there fighting to protect. Or does he have that wrong, too?
You fool, can’t you see the simple beauty of Brutus’s approach? But then, he hasn’t revealed the next step:
Selling the rights to anally rape prisoners.
Yessirree, folks, step right up and buy a light stick! For each light stick you buy, you get your choice* of prisoners to penetrate! Or, for a modest extra fee, you can supply your own Implement of Anal Destruction!
I’ll bet if we put Brutus in charge of running this thing, we could raise enough moolah to pay for the invasion.
*For twelve-year-old girls, athere is a 50 percent surcharge. For stripped twelve-year-old girls, the surcharge is 745 percent. Surcharges for teenage boys are on a sliding scale based on age.
Yo, Brutus, dude, you have seriously gone off the rails, and not for the first time. This ain’t the Klingon Empire. I seriously doubt that shoving light sticks up the asses of, say, your loving parents without their consent is something you personally would condone, and an accident of geography does not make it any more acceptable to do so to innocent, repeat innocent (by the military’s own admission) Iraqis.
I really fail to see just what, exactly, you think you are defending here.
To summarize and clarify: the gov’t may say ‘when’ and ‘where’ we go to war, but the military should be able to say ‘how’. ‘How’ may be nasty and brutish, or it may be chock full of flowers and happiness, but it should be up the the military, not congress and/or the press.
Thanks for the clarification!
All ethical decisions on what is best to do should be made by the military. If they’re told to go to war in Iraq, it’s cool with everyone if they launch a couple of hundred nuclear missiles at it. That’s their fucking prerogative, and one should not question this.
Seriously, do you think at all before you post, or do you just take a crap on the keyboard?
Yes that makes perfect sense. Congress makes laws but the police should decide how to punish people. That’s why martial law always works out so well.
We should have nuked China during the Korean War like MacArthur wanted.
Ditto for Viet Nam.
I’m sure that would have turned out very well for the USA.
We should torture innocent people just in case they have some vague information.
The military has such a grand tradition of doing things well when they have free reign over a place. Why just look at how well Saddam did with his military dictatorship.
Oh wait that’s what we’re fighting. Isn’t it?
Are you also now saying that the abuse at Abu Ghraib was ordered by the nation’s military leadership up to and including Rumsfeld? Or when you say “it should be up to the military,” are you saying that any buck private can do as he pleases?
My only contribution to this pile-on is that I think the mods should take Brutus’ odious post, make it a sticky on the front page of the SDMB, and put a label on it like “Don’t be like this dipshit.”
If nothing else, it’d work as a public service for everyone else to know how depraved he is.
Back to the OP:
Rush is a BAND!
Carry on.
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…All ethical decisions on what is best to do should be made by the military. If they’re told to go to war in Iraq, it’s cool with everyone if they launch a couple of hundred nuclear missiles at it. That’s their fucking prerogative, and one should not question this.QUOTE]
Obviously, our armed forces are not bright enough to think of nuking Iraq when told to capture and secure it. It takes a Rommel like you to come up with that!
Who knows? My personal bet is that Rummy may have said, ‘We need to get better intel out of those detainees, since it appears that serving them 3 hot meals a day doesn’t seem to be doing the trick’, and some people cracked out the glowsticks. Hey, incidents of roadside bombings are down.
‘Any buck private’ doing as they please is hardly in the military’s best interest.
If the military believes that what happened at AG was not in their best interest, then great, let 'em deal with resolving the issue. I am not saying the military must use ‘energetic’ questioning and psyops techniques, I am saying the option should be on the table for them.
I am positively teary-eyed. Not even fours years on the board, and already rjung has made his first ‘contribution’. Heck, may next he will stop those pissy little drive-bys in GD. Well, maybe he can phase them out over the next couple of years…
I tried witting a long post in response to this stupidity. Then I decided it was too complicated for someone as brain dead as Brutus appears to be so I’ll try for something simpler.
Buy a logic book (or get yours off the shelf if you own one) Underline the part about False Cause this should come in helpful for you.
You’re talking about the torture right? Don’t use words like ‘energetic’ when you mean torture. My best friend was a Marine Force Recon who interrogated a few prisoners. He was shocked and outraged by the photos. Please don’t imply torture is just an ‘energetic’ form of what he did. Thank you.
Well fuck you if you think the military has a right to pick people off the streets and torture them. We’re supposedly trying to teach these people how great and different we are how much better our system is. What do we do? Set up a military state and round up anyone that might be a dissenter and torture them. Great way to go.
Let the military decide for itself what is acceptable and what is not? Yeah, no bad could ever come of that.
Amazing.
Don’t blame Brutus for his totally ridiculous, “God Bless our men and women in uniform, for jamming glowsticks up some dudes-caught-in-a-neighborhood-sweep-we-think-they-might-be-terrorists ass” diatribe.
He’s just parroting his master’s voice. What we have here is a case of Impacted Propaganda, brought on by willful and prolonged Propaganda Abuse.
So we must torture them to save them?
That’ll work.
Boy, start a pit thread about what a chucklewit Ol’ Rush is about matters of sweet mutual tickling, maybe a bit of prurient snickering, some good dirty fun talking about the Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name with It’s Mouth Full, and friend Brutus has to come along and drag it into the gutter.
Didja notice, by chance, that literally hundreds of prisoners were being released by the busloads? Don’t you think that a bit odd, if so many of ruthless terrorist Baathis deadenders were amongst them? Did all thier paperwork just happen to be completed on the same day? Investigations all come round to fruition in lockstep?
Or mightn’t it just be possible…just possible, mind you…that they were never guilty of anything in the first place? And of that group, how many do you think were committed to anti-American positions before they thier delightful, all-expenses paid trip to Camp DeSade? And of those that weren’t, how many are now?
If our enemies had written a script, devised a procedure, for the maximum possible alienation and hatred, they could not have done better.
Brutus, I don’t like being ashamed of being American. Not the least little bit. So could you just sort of knock it off for a while? Just long enough so I can forget a bit of this, give me some space, so maybe I can sing about purple mountains and amber waves without wanting to puke my guts out? I’d appreciate it.
Brutus, you are such a poster boy for Al Qaida.
Tell us again, for our amusement, how we will turn those people to democracy by raping them. Your justification for rape is, at the least, amusing, and at the most, a clear invitation for Al Qaida to swell its ranks and do something not only really nasty, but justified.
You sick fuck.
Brutus, if that’s your view, then I don’t EVER want to see you ranting against those on the other side.
What’s good for the goose, and all that.
What is interesting is that we have passed from a talk radio windbag pronouncing the carryings on in a US controlled Iraqi prison to be nothing more than fraternity hell week frivolities to a more or less prolific poster on these boards announcing that the torture of not-quite-POWs swept up on the streets of Baghdad to be a positive good. That is a big step and only a little short of advocating that Rusty Calley receive a kiss on both cheeks and the Legion of Honor for his outstanding leadership and heroism at Mai Li. Our friend Brutus’s position (which I must take as sincere) is just astonishing.
Since the present problem is NOT the military conquest of Iraq but rather the establishment of civil government and domestic order, which in turn depends on persuading the good people of Iraq (and I assume there are many) that their best chance of achieving their own ends of self-determination is to quiet down and cooperate with the so-called coalition’s program, I am compelled to ask our friend if he as any appreciation of the implications, hell, of the direct and proximate consequences, of what he is saying.
Either our friend is fully aware of the consequences, in which case he is a sadistic fool, or he isn’t, in which case he is just a fool, or he is jerking our chain, in which case he is an immature fool. Take your choice, Sport.
Maybe Brutus is simply practicing a new form of “compassionate conservatism”?