Several of his victims reported being offered something for a headache, or for nerves. If someone offers you an aspirin and gives you qualudes, they comit a crime, I’m pretty sure.
I’m sure it was along the lines of:
“OMG, they want me to have dinner with Bill Cosby…
…that’s kind of weird, but it’ll be a good story.”
…is this my big chance? Maybe I’ll get discovered!"
…does he want something more? I’ll have to be careful."
…does he want something more? That’ll be a good story!"
…YOLO!"
What kind of evidence are you seeking that is lacking?
Even if they were open to a little casting couch auditioning, doesn’t mean they were expecting try-outs to start on first date.
And I’m guessing that even if someone who is open to sex, they still want to be fully conscious while having it. Besides the obvious reason, that person may just want to slip into the restroom beforehand and get her contraception in place. Not only does she not get a chance to enjoy herself when she’s been drugged, but she’s robbed of the chance to protect herself from unwanted ramifications.
So if he admits to offering party favors that’s accurate buta detailed account of him slipping something in someone’s drink, well that can be dismissed out of hand.
36 times.
And since you snipped this when you replied, any chance you care to comment on this part of my post?
An adult male pressuring a teenage girl to have sex with him is vile, right? Or do you have an explanation for why that would be okay?
I have no way of knowing what was going through these women’s heads, but in the 1980s and really until the sexual assault allegations came to light then I think many people’s image of Bill Cosby was that he was basically a real-life Cliff Huxtable. A funny, warm-hearted family man who might have his foibles but would never do anything truly bad. Even a very naive young model who was new to the big city probably wouldn’t have believed that, say, Hugh Hefner just wanted to buy her dinner and give her some fatherly advice, but I think it’s plausible that she might have believed this of Bill Cosby.
We had a thread on that article. Generally speaking drugs do not work the way that is claimed by the writer of the article.
As for authority over, I mean that if he had sex with someone whose career and prospects he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to.
It’s rather well known that powerful and rich people in Hollywood can and do exercise their power to cause adverse or beneficial consequences to the careers of less powerful people.
Clint Eastwood ruined Sondra Locke’s career after their relationship went sour. Alfred Hitchcock ruined Tippi Hedren’s career when she refused to submit to his sexual advances.
And yet you have no comment on an adult male pressuring a teenage girl for sex? Or is that something to be dismissed as well?
Considering the stature Cosby enjoyed in the industry at the time it’s very likely he could cause adverse or beneficial consequences to the career of someone who turned him down. So by your definition that would suggest he was in a position of authority from the perspective of the teenage girl he was pressuring for sex. Got it.
I must have missed the part where it is said that the victims were minors and or below the age of consent.
Yeah, you would have had take the time to read the article linked in the OP to know that. Or notice where I mentioned the young woman by name in post #18.
Oh, he said it was consensual. I guess that means it’s okay even if the person giving the hand job is under the age of consent. A hand job Cosby admitted to, BTW.
What is the age of consent in New York? Its 17 per wiki. What was it at the time?
So she was not under the age of consent. And it was still skeevy.
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Where the fuck did I say that it was ok?
This chart from 2011 seems to indicate since Cosby was over 21 then she was under the age of consent. There seems to be a 4 year age differential in effect. I found a few references that give the impression prior to 1999 18 was the age of consent across the board in New York but there is some ambiguity. Still the 4 year age difference seems to have been in effect.
My apologies for implying you thought it was ok. I did take your comments to be pretty much dismissive of Cosby’s accusers. If that is inaccurate you have my apologies for that as well.
This is the crux of it. I don’t think any woman, young or old, would be SURPRISED at an inappropriate sexual come-on in that situation. But she would appropriately expect that saying NO would be an option. When you drug someone into insensibility, NO is no longer an option. No one in full possession of their (her) faculties consents to being rendered semi-conscious before sex with a stranger.
There is NO defense for Bill Cosby.
$700 for a handjob? :eek: Goddamn, Bill! I don’t care how fucking rich you are, that’s just financially irresponsible!
In these situations is the model selected to attend this “meeting-dinner” paid for her time as if in a modeling session or photo shoot, or is this considered a non-paid talent “interview” type thing where he could tell you to go home if he did not like your looks or your attitude and he owed you nothing? How does that work?
Even if they willingly took the drugs, the state they would be in afterwards would be rather intoxicated, and would likely still make it rape.
If you read the deposition, it reads almost entirely like someone who is admitting as much as he can for evidence sake, but avoiding saying it was non-consensual. There’s no reason he should be able to say “I don’t know” about being in condition to consent.
Plus there’s the fact he admitted that the he got the quaaludes from someone who knew they were not for him. So he wasn’t taking them. He was lucid, they were not. That is really unusual in a “let’s do drugs to make sex better” situation.
Ha! He had to promise drugs just to be able to tell them the address.