And Republican, and Newt GingRitch…my god, we may be on to something!
Yes and no. It’s most likely Domitian, but the 666 is a numerical anagram (using the numeric values for the Hebrew alphabet) for “Kesar Neron” (Nero Casear), but that would still make sense with Domitian since there was a popular belief at the time (late 90’s CE) that Domitian was Nero reborn or disguised (hence the wounded and revived head of the Beast).
SaRah…:eek:
And GeoRge W. Bush!
I think the ‘to’ in this sentence is superfluous.
There are two Rs in Bush II’s name - there’s one in Walker too.
I therefore declare that George W. Bush is the Double Antichrist.
First, I want to apologize to ER for getting personal there. No one has said anything to me about it but I realized I went over the line.
Next post- the AntiChrist Qs…
OK, I haven’t checked The Shepherd of Hermas or Epistles of Barnabas yet, so AFAIK here is the first appearance of an AntiChrist type character outside of the Bible-
from The Didache:
16:3 For in the last days false prophets and seducers shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate;
16:4 and because iniquity aboundeth they shall hate each other, and persecute each other, and deliver each other up; and then shall the Deceiver of the world appear as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands; and he shall do unlawful things, such as have never happened since the beginning of the world.
This may have been written as early as the late first century A.D., right after most of the NT- maybe even before some of it was completed.
Hmmm- my connection is acting up, so I’ll have to post later about Justin Martyr & Iraenaeus in the second century who both laid out the standard “AntiChrist scenario” that exists today in the popular mindset. The latter is the first person AFAIK to actually use the term “The AntiChrist” for a future “The Beast”.
I hold to a semi-Preterist view- so that the Gnostic heretics, Nero & the Roman persecutors, the Jewish persecutors, and the Jerusalem establishment were to some extent, respectively, “antichrists”, “the Beast”, “the False Prophet”, and “Mystery Babylon”. However, the historical Church did from quite early on expect a final fulfillment of these prophecies before Christ returns, and I think Church Tradition makes a good case for this.
So IF there will be a future Beast & False Prophet, I would expect the first to be of European/Caucasian descent and the second with at least some MidEastern descent. Some people will get very specific into Roman, Syrian, Greek, Balkan, Arabic or Jewish descent, but I think that is seriously overextending. If indeed one of them purports to be the Messiah, I would think that one would have to at least appear to be of Jewish descent. It’s not impossible that either of them would be Oriental or black, but there’s nothing in Daniel or Revelation that would indicate that, since they spoke primarily of the “End Time” power centers being in Europe and the MidEast.
In short, I’d expect two white guys, with at least one of them having some Jewish descent. But I could be wrong.
And like I said- this is assuming the Bible predicts a future Apocalyptic scenario with coming “AntiChrist” rulers. That also may not be the case.
But he’s deliberately hiding the ‘Walker’ one, which goes to show you how badly he wants to be antichrist.
I see where she called her a “former” ingenue, which I suppose is accurate enough. I don’t see where she referred to her as “influential.” This seems to be the one and only sentence that mentions her –
Former “Saturday Night Live” ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama “bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ.”
When news programs show artist’s renderings of alleged criminals or people wanted for questioning, I always marvel that some in the audience can match up those drawings with a real face.
I’m even more amazed when people can match up vague descriptions and hearsay with a real face. That takes talent.
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Have you seen those ears?
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And, the Primary was nothing short of a miracle.:eek:
I took it the same way. We can use that very fluid phrasing to damn anyone, really.
Friar Ted– the apology is appreciated. I didn’t say you hold these ideas–I asked if you did, but intended the comments to be re fundamentalists. But I stand by what I said: the whole Antichrist thing is batshit insane and no amount of tortured proof-texting will change my mind. This is where Christianity and I part ways (oh, wait–there’s the whole treat women like shit part, too, and the whole make you feel guilty for being human part as well, and let us not forget the using of that “good book” to foster strife, war and hatred…). Better to say that Christianity and I have parted ways, period. Stuff like this OP is just embarrassing to listen to/read.
People who dislike Obama for whatever reason will find anything to throw at him–including such stuff as “he is the antichrist”. If this makes the fundamentalists sleep better in their beds, I’d say it was harmless, but it’s not. It’s this kind of thing that inspires nutjobs to take the law into their own hands or Save the World by assassinating leaders such as Obama.
I swear sometimes I think the fundamentalists will be disappointed that their wacky plans won’t pan out. Is religion to be a Marvel comic book plot now? I’m well out of it, if so.
Would this kind of nonsense even happen to a white male candidate? No–but I can see it being said of a female candidate. God alone knows what would be said of a black, female, Jewish candidate. And a Hindu or a Muslim is beyond my imagination.
It’s racism disguised as religious “concern” and theorizing. It’s ridiculous. There is no validity to the premise that Obama is the antichrist, since said antichrist does not exist.
NRATB–why not be offended? I see clear cause for offense. They are purporting things that are not true about a man who is our next President. If you believe your neighbor is the AC, I will roll my eyes, but do no more because chances are, no harm will come to said neighbor. That cannot be said of the President. Plus, it’s just plain ignorance talking and that alone is offensive.
I think there’s a misunderstanding of my intent. There are three viewpoints* this article could have explored:
- Obama is the Antichrist.
- Obama is not the Antichrist.
- End-Times theology is a misreading of the Bible.
It gives evidence for view number one and quotes multiple people with view number 1.
Then it quotes someone who may hold either viewpoint #2 or viewpoint #3 (I can’t really tell), but who defends viewpoint #1. There is absolutely nothing about the other viewpoints.
That’s a bullshit smear job. The article could have actually explored the issue, and maybe it would have been interesting to see how various people are interpreting the Bible vis-a-vis Obama. Instead, it seems obvious to me what the author’s intent is. She wants to call Obama the Antichrist without having to directly call him the Antichrist.
And if you read this article and didn’t know anything about Millenialists, it would be very easy to come away with the impression that they all believe that Obama is the Antichrist.
I don’t really care is she specifically chose LaHaye or not. It’s the failure to present the other viewpoints that’s pissing me off.
And I’m not a Christian and I don’t believe in any end-times philosophy, whether it’s Christian-based or Mayan-based or Y2K.
*If you really want to break it down, I guess there are more than three, but go with me here.
It sounds crazy at first, but it definitely explains why he keep coming to me by night and bid me to sign my name in his book. I keep telling him, 'No Dark Man, I serve God! I love the Lord Baby Jesus! I’ll not go with your evilness or sign my name unless I get a Wii and a nice weeklong vacation in the Keys and a private tour of the White House [the parts the tourists never get to see even when they had tourists], and even then I’ll only initial!" Yet he keeps on bidding me sign and to come into the wood and dance with him. So far the best he’s offered is to give me a pretty dress to wear and raise me high in the air and fly me to Barbados, and I keep telling him I’m not a drag queen, heights make me nervous, and I don’t want to go to Barbados- everyone says that it’s gone way too commercial.
The weirdest thing: I finally got a look at the book. The text is a first edition of Yes I Can! by Sammy Davis, Jr., but the dusk jacket is from All the Pretty Horses, for it’s well known the devil’s dust jackets cannot match the text. And I also saw where many Dopers had signed, and also Henry Kissinger and Victoria Principal and King Juan Carlos and Joyce Dewitt!
He said next time he’s bringing the kids. This is awkward- I don’t know what in the world to talk about with a 10 year old girl from Chicago!
sounds out loud Enn… arr… ay… tee… bee…
Hmm.
National Rifle Association Tuberculosis? 
Things are Not Right At The Bowl-o-rama!
But Big Bob can’t be the Antichrist…he doesn’t even have R!
And that may just be the most obscure reference I have ever made.
It seems to me, with my thankfully very limited exposure to Christians, that they all individually think they know who is the Antichrist, and it’s always somebody who is currently in power. So far, none of them hav ever been right, because as far as I can tell none of them know what the fuck they’re talking about in the first place. They’re the most judgemental people on this planet.
Being the Antichrist is really stressful. It’s like being Miss America only with 40% more smiling (and a bit less evil). So, they have to rotate in and out of the position. To keep up on things they read “The Antichrist Daily” and “So You Think You’re the Beast.”
Gotta keep things fresh for Armageddon and persecuting Christians.
I grew up Christian and live in a very conservatively religious state, but I honestly think most Christians, even the conservative variety, give a :rolleyes: when anybody accuses an elected official, even an unpopular one, of being the anti-Christ.
An agent of the anti-Christ perhaps (meaning he gets 10-15% of the souls the anti-Christ collects in exchange for managing certain of his affairs), but not the anti-Christ himself.