Reason # frillion why I hate Hillary Clinton

Okay, I’ll admit it’s closer to dislike or distaste, but it sure feels like hate.

After the Peter Pace idiocy, where the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” shouldn’t be revoked because homosexuality is “immoral,” ABC News asked HRC if she thinks homosexuality is immoral.

People wonder why I don’t like her. They wonder why I think she’s the worst possible Democratic candidate. It’s for reasons like this.

The only time she stands up, it’s for causes I don’t believe in. The rest of the time, she’s a weasel, trying to play both sides.

And the idea that a candidate for president is so afraid of speaking extemporaneously just makes me ill.

Mind you, Obama’s reaction is no better.

But he doesn’t yet have a history of this sort of weaseling. Perhaps it’s only a matter of time.

I couldn’t agree more. Gays and Lesbians don’t have friends in the leadership of either party. Just liars who talk a good game, and apparently they’re dealing themselves a new hand. They won’t even give gay rights lip service anymore.

I don’t know why this surprises you. You think any candidate is going to speak up for gays in the military/gay marriage? Maybe I’m cynical, but when the Democrats swept the House & Senate, my only thought was, “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

If Senator Clinton can’t come to her own conclusions about the Gay, why should voters think she can come to conclusions about anything else slightly controversial?

Although, if she says something along the lines of “What two consenting adults do is no ones business but theirs” , 4 billion people will start to snicker and her Bubba’s out the kitchen door so fast the Road Runner will be calling the cops to complain about the speding infraction.

That’s exactly why I wasn’t too upset about the midterms. If anyone thinks any of these people are really “looking out for them”, you’re deluded. The only thing they understand is power and money. Got neither? They couldn’t care less about you.

Apparently, she has clarified her position after hearing from a number of her friends, and says she has been against DADT for “many years”. Now, she sounds more like her husband did when he was running.

In the last poll at Kos she got 3% of the votes down from 10% in 2005. If that’s any indication her opinions aren’t going to matter much.

Do you have any idea how any of the other candidates, republican or democrat come down on the gays in the military issue?

Brownback, the troglodyte, came out in support of Pace.

I’m pretty sure John Edwards explicitly disagreed with him about homosexuality being immoral and against DADT. I don’t have a link right now.

It doesn’t surprise me. It’s just a prime example of the sort of thing that makes me dislike Clinton vigorously.

Alan Simpson, a Republican Senator from Wyoming wrote this in a Washington Post column a couple days ago:

Since 1993, I have had the rich satisfaction of knowing and working with many openly gay and lesbian Americans, and I have come to realize that “gay” is an artificial category when it comes to measuring a man or woman’s on-the-job performance or commitment to shared goals. It says little about the person. Our differences and prejudices pale next to our historic challenge. Gen. Pace is entitled, like anyone, to his personal opinion, even if it is completely out of the mainstream of American thinking. But he should know better than to assert this opinion as the basis for policy of a military that represents and serves an entire nation. Let us end “don’t ask, don’t tell.” This policy has become a serious detriment to the readiness of America’s forces as they attempt to accomplish what is arguably the most challenging mission in our long and cherished history.I don’t think he’s an official candidate, though.

Democratic politicians in general have been cowards on gay issues for years. Not every single one, but many of them, and certainly the major presidential candidates. They’ve punked out the entire gay marriage issue - they want the courts to rule in favor of it or the people to vote against it, anything so they don’t have to take a position that somebody won’t like. It’s pathetic.

There’s no way I’d vote for Hillary in a primary anyway, but Bill Clinton’s “triangulation” on these issues - mostly the Defense of Marriage Act, but also Don’t Ask Don’t Tell - pissed me off big time, and I was an apolitical 14-year-old when it passed. I had a feeling he was selling out people who supported him. Little has changed in the last 10 years.

I’m disappointed to say that Obama, of whom I’m a big fan, didn’t do any better than Hillary on this one. He avoided the question and finally said he disagreed with Pace after a few days.

Thanks Liberal.

Another question- does anyone know how this issue is handled in other countries?

I don’t think he is. Nor is John Warner, who also made a much stronger statement than any of the Democrats. (I think Warner was expected to run, but he declined.)

Many countries allow open service. Cite .

I was surprised to see Brazil on the list of countries that don’t allow gays to serve openly; I was under the impression that Brazil was pretty liberal on these issues. Does anyone have further information? Are there anti-gay laws in Brazil (apart from not being allowed to marry and so forth)?

Thanks. Why am I not surprised that we’re on another idiot list.

A politician who refuses to tell me what is and is not “immoral”, she won’t be getting my vote for [del]Pope[/del] President!

Wouldn’t you prefer a world where politicians thought questions of morality were not there’s to decide? That if the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff were asked “is homosexuality immoral” his answer was something like “that’s above my pay grade, my opinion as CotJCoS about homosexuality is whatever the President, the Congress, and the UCoMJ tells me it is”.
I would!

CMC fnord!

The notion that you can separate morality from policy is an illusion.

Obama also clarified his position, too:

A shame that they both couldn’t say it outright, but it’s still more than any Republican running for office has done so far.