Redfury, 'Bush apologists' and a hearty FU

The BBQ Pit
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[QUOTE=magellan01]
**Airman,
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You’re right in that his nationality has squat to do with anything. You’re wrong other than that. And of all the times to come to someone’s defense you choose THIS one? You’ve got to be kidding. Is this a whoosh? Did you read his latest stupidity—that he wants criminal charges and a conviction, even if we have to dispense with a little thing like the rule of law?!! That’s not just dumb, that’s a Gordian Knot of dumb. And it reveals once again his blind partisanship.

You do yourself no favor, Airman, coming to the defense of the drunk dolt in this particular instance. Disappointing. Oh, well…
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What else is new? If I lived my life based upon the opinions of those on this board, I’d never be right. Woe is me. It sucks being wrong all the time, I gotta tell you.

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[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
It isn’t his nationality that’s being used against him, as it is that he is a nationalist who is on record as supporting Spanish imperialism and condoning Spanish governmental racism,while pretending that others are partisans for wanting to follow American law in order to determine and punish crimes under American law.
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Cite. Pretty please.

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Finn, a lot of brave men and women (mostly men, I’m assuming) have given their lives to make the institution of trolling what it is today, and you cheapen the term by applying it to everyone you disagree with. My God, man, do you get royalties every time you type the word?

Further, I’m confident you’re smart enough to realize that a goodly number of the “trolls” tu accuses aren’t really trolls at all by the common definition, and that your Rain-Main-like repetition of the word relates to its perception on this board as a term of ultimate slander, like “child molester” or “liberal.” There’s a word for someone who posts things they know to be untrue, simply to evoke a reaction, but damned if I can think of it this early in the morning…

(I mean, **RF ** may very well be a drunk dolt… I haven’t *personally * seen anything to contradict that theory, but fair is fair, he’s not a troll…)

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At first I couldn’t stand him but now I think he’s a genius. I read all his posts in the voice of either Ramone from Whit Stillman’s Barcelona, or the blustery voice of the Telemundo-sounding guy that does the in espanol parking information announcement at a local shopping mall.

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[QUOTE=xtisme]
…not that I think that there are ANY ‘Bush apologists’ left on this board at any rate.
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Not even Shodan?

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[QUOTE=Mighty_Girl]
Cite. Pretty please.
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Obviously there’s none to be found or proffered. Simply more of the foaming-at-the mouth style of posting that makes FinnAgain, The Masterbater.

A Legend In His Own Mind.

And BTW, xt, my Mother is dead, but in case your Spanish is rusty (as it should be for all that self-hatred I alluded to) it’s “tu maldita madre, cabrón!”

De nada.

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[QUOTE=xtisme]
From this thread:

Short and sweet as I don’t see any point in drawing this out…fuck you, you Spanish prick. Or as we say where I come from ‘tu madre, pendejo’. You can take the whole ‘Bush apologist’ rant and shove it up your tight Spanish ass…sideways. Fucking troll…

-XT
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Then you are being unfairly maligned by RedFury, and are, in fact, capable of acknowledging that Bush and many of his cohorts are simply criminals?

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[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF]
It sucks being wrong all the time, I gotta tell you.
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It’s okay, Airman. We still like ya.
:smiley:

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XT: I think it would help if you fleshed this out a bit more. And I know you and **RF **have this Spanish/Mexican thing going where you feel some kind of weird kinship through shared cultural ancestry or something, but it’s really not good form to insult someone over their nationality. I mean, what does **RF **being Spanish have to do with anything?

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[QUOTE=Mighty_Girl]
Cite. Pretty please.
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It’s certainly true that FinnAgain and RedFury spent a full page of some thread flinging poo at each other over whether or not Spain is full of racists and the Spanish government follows a racist policy line. (it was some thread about something else entirely, so I doubt anyone will be able to find it for you without going through their posting histories)

I don’t think anyone else really had an opinion one way or the other; they were both tossing out contradictory citations.

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[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
It’s certainly true that FinnAgain and RedFury spent a full page of some thread flinging poo at each other over whether or not Spain is full of racists and the Spanish government follows a racist policy line. (it was some thread about something else entirely, so I doubt anyone will be able to find it for you without going through their posting histories)

I don’t think anyone else really had an opinion one way or the other; they were both tossing out contradictory citations.
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Yeah, but when one is willing to throw accusations such as this:

and this

one has to have, at the very least, some proof of it, in case some nitpicking, busibody, such as myself, decides not to take your* word for it.

You know, my sister is a foreigner studying in Spain and I would like to warn her about these things. I would also like to check my gullibility-meter if it turns out that **Red **has indeed said these things.

I don’t see how Finn would have any problem coming up with a cite, seeing as Red apparently done it on more than one occasion. You have to forgive me for not taking anyone’s word as gospel.
*General you, not **RATB **you.

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There were no ‘contradictory’ cites pointed out, Red simply couldn’t rebut the facts. I’ll be happy to provide the cites and his claims again.

Cites in this post about the nature of racism in Spanish society and how their police have a history of beating, raping and murdering foreigners while the government condones such behavior.

The specific quote was from an Amnesty International investigation:

And, of course, his justification of Spanish imperialism because otherwise those nasty Aztecs would’ve been ripping hearts out (with extra ‘if you think you need to know the facts before arguing something, you’re pompous’).

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Yep. That’s the one.

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[QUOTE=Mighty_Girl]
Cite. Pretty please.
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Yes, please.

Mighty_Girl, I do know that profiling can be a problem, in Spain as elsewhere: a black person or someone tall, white-blonde and with blue eyes is a lot more likely to be asked for ID by a bored cop than someone who looks “local”. It’s linked to the immigration issues. Mind you, it’s still quite unlikely to happen, as your average cop has no interest in trying to wade through the paperwork triggered by “oh noes, I asked a black dude for ID and he didn’t have any!” The usual behavior for example when a pair of cops happen upon a blanket-top salesman suffering from bad reflexes and decide to do something about it is to ask for ID (unlikely to be produced), take down his name, nab the goods, then let the guy go without even a visit to HQ.

The claims of police brutality I’ve seen come more from the separatist field than from Red Cross and AI. The biggest complaint I’ve seen about police behavior linked to treatment of immigrants is about the overpopulation of detention centers.

This doesn’t mean there is no police brutality, there’s certainly its share of brutes in the Spanish police (and in Spain in general). It could be underreported, of course.

I hope your sister has a great time :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Nava]
Yes, please.
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This doesn’t mean there is no police brutality, there’s certainly its share of brutes in the Spanish police (and in Spain in general). It could be underreported, of course.

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Please see above.
And from the claims I cited in the linked post, it certainly seems that the Spanish government is deliberately ignoring cases of racist violence and that they’re underreported, so to speak, because they aren’t actually tracked.

Of course, this doesn’t mean that all Spanish police will jump at a chance to rape and kill some foreigners. But it does go on, and the government does condone the behavior. Which is to say nothing of endemic racist taunts at Spanish football matches…

The point, more in line with this thread, was that Red’s response to the facts was to handwave them away while pointing out that Spain is a hot destination for immigration. Doesn’t address, let alone rebut the fact that there are some serious problems with racism that need to be dealt with, but ah well.

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[QUOTE=Ensign Edison]
Are Spanish asses especially tight?
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They were until the English started vacationing there.

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[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
Yep. That’s the one.
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And the point is clear, is it not? I don’t defend or condone Imperialism in any way, shape or form. But xt’s constant bashing of Spain (now, new and improved with the addition of Frothing Finn) is simply ridiculous in light of the fact that the Spaniards did indeed mix with many natives – as he himself freely admits, he has some of that “nasty” Spanish blood in him.

If that is not self-loathing I don’t know what is. Which, once again, is the sole point being made.

As for The Frothing One, all he does is endlessly parrot the tired “Black Legend*”.

:::shrug:::

I’m not here to educate him nor depose him of his anti-Spanish sentiments.

*easy enough to educate oneself on the matter. Literature on this topic abounds…although perhaps not as prolific in the English language. In fact, I purchased a couple of paperbacks on the topic in a recently held book fair, here, in the Dom Rep. I could also suggest a book or two for anyone interested.

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[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
There were no ‘contradictory’ cites pointed out, Red simply couldn’t rebut the facts. I’ll be happy to provide the cites and his claims again.

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I am sorry. I have read all the links posted in your post referred above, and I am still having trouble going from Data Point A to Conclusion B.

I see no proof that Spaniards are significantly more antisemitic than any other European nation. By that we can assume that all Europeans are as ‘racist’ as Spaniards. The first poll that you quoted does not lead me in any way to an accusation of antisemitism. I have a lot of disagreements with US policies, A LOT, and you cannot accuse me of being anti-usaism.

The closest one can come to antisemitism is the question about Jews still talking ‘too much’ about the holocaust. The Spaniards rated second lowest above the French. I need a little more information to get from there to ‘antisemitic’.

The second point is about the Jews killing Jesus, this could actually be construed as antisemitism, but there is no enough details to ascertain the Spanish attitude. The average was 20% and it includes other nations. I find that surprisingly low, seeing as they were still saying that in Catholic school when I was a kid and there is no significant Jewish colony here*.

I got news for you. It is very clear that there is a race problem in the whole world.

Have you read the Amnesty Intl. report on the US? What can we conclude from it?
The only proof you offer of Red’s defense of the Spanish barbaric practices during the colonial period is this
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
Of course, none of that changes the fact that Red actually had the chutzpah to support Spain’s period of colonialist butchery, slavery and plunder. Characteristically, he displays some interesting stupidity in that the Aztecs, the actual heart rippers were just one of the cultures that the Spanish imperialists savaged. After all, the Spanish colonialists also brutalized, among others, the Mayans, Incas, and a good few others. But really, slaughtering, enslaving and pillaging was in those dirty natives’ own best interests. They were just too filthy and savage to realize the grace of the Spanish boot on their throats. Silly natives.

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Sorry, but “my post is my cite” has already been done. Please provide an actual cite.

These are not his actual words. And I just can’t go from what he actually said to that. Not his most brilliant moment, but nowhere near what you attribute to him. All I can conclude is that you seem to have a problem with his being a Spaniard. He is not the Spanish police. I hope I am not held responsible for the actions of the Dominican police anymore than I hold Polycarp* responsible for Abu Ghraib.

I am very interested, please do provide some more cites.
By sheer coincidence I am holding a book called Los Judios en el Destino de Quisqueya right now. From what I see it is pretty pro-Jewish.

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[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
It’s not a matter of him holding certain opinions, it’s a matter of him pretending to hold them in order to spew at Americans. Honestly held opinions are fine. Trolling is not.
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[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
Since, by his own admission, he actually sees nothing wrong with imperialism and conquest, going so far as to support it (when it’s his country doing the invading and butchery), he’s trolling when he picks fights with Americans for not being against behavior which he himself supports, as long as it’s his country that does it.
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FinnAgain, I’ve seen you throw the trolling accusation at RedFury a lot lately. While you’re welcome to your opinion of his motives, some of your statements in this thread have made me suspect that you don’t really understand what trolling is for the purposes of message board moderation. If someone is inconsistent or hypocritical in their opinions, that doesn’t automatically imply that they’re lying and/or trolling. People are hypocritical all the time. Heck, given my general stances on invading other countries, it could easily be argued that my support for the invasion of Afghanistan was hypocritical and that I wouldn’t have held that position had it been another country attacked by terrorists – was I trolling when I said it was OK for us to invade? Or when I said it wasn’t OK for us to invade Iraq?

On an anonymous internet message board, you’ll never know for sure if people truly believe what they’re typing, or are who they say they are. It comes with the territory.

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[QUOTE=RedFuryAs for The Frothing One, all he does is endlessly parrot the tired [“Black Legend*”]
(http://www.hispaniceducation.org/ArticlesPage/news_articles_publications_004.htm).
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Remember the Maine, Spanish Brute!