[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
If you don’t understand why claiming that Jews control US policy…
…are all anti-Semitics statements, I suppose that any elaboration would be rather pointless.
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That would be a statement of fact, not an “anti-Semitic statement”. Jews do control US foreign policy, which is predicated on the defense of Israel.
“Jews are evil and control US foreign policy” would be an anti-Semitic statement.
The whole issue of support for Israel is a big ball of fishooks. I am an admirer of Israel, if for nothing else than a poltical theater that never lacks for wild enthusiasm, they are involved in their governance in ways I dearly wish we would emulate. Democracy is a gift squandered on the apathetic.
But I am deeply troubled by the extent of our committment there, we seem bent on her defense even when she is in the wrong. This is not to say she is always in the wrong, or even mostly, but the tragedy of the ME is mutual, each are victim to the other, each have legitimate grievances that cannot be resolved, only forgiven by people determined to have peace.
And there are so few. Alas, so very few.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
That would be a statement of fact, not an “anti-Semitic statement”. Jews do control US foreign policy, which is predicated on the defense of Israel.
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Sorry, tinfoil hattist anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering is still anti-Semitic, and still isn’t factual. Yeah, those crafty Jews have been controlling Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all along. I hear they even plot over a tombstone.
But props to you for admitting you’re a racist.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
That would be a statement of fact, not an “anti-Semitic statement”. Jews do control US foreign policy, which is predicated on the defense of Israel.
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“Jews” don’t control anything as an entity. That’s what makes the statement absolutely antisemitic. The missing word isn’t “some”, it’s “the”.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
And, of course, his justification of Spanish imperialism because otherwise those nasty Aztecs would’ve been ripping hearts out (with extra ‘if you think you need to know the facts before arguing something, you’re pompous’).
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Is that the extent of what **Red **has posted on the subject? It looks like a gratuitous insult to me, maybe in bad taste, but not a justification for imperialism. I think you’re extrapolating way beyond what that one sentence meant. If you’ve got more, let’s see it. **XT **seems to think there is, but wants others to search for it. Come on XT. You know that’s not the way things work around here.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
But props to you for admitting you’re a racist.
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Since I somewhat agree with him, can I please also get one of those labels you are distributing so freely. I always wanted to be a racist.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
The higher percentage of anti-Semitiic beliefs among Spaniards would be the proof of that.
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Maybe this is grist for the other thread (or completely futile), but if you believe this, then you are not really interpreting the Journal of Conflict Resolution cite properly.
Among other things, what the methodology does not capture at all are the interactions between the confounding effects. Spain is having a well-known immigrant crisis, so it is highly likely than anti-immigrant sentiment correlates highly with residence in Spain. Both will end up strong predictors of anti-Semitism by construction. Not to mention Spain’s high and growing Muslim population.
More importantly, since the authors of the study use the odds ratio interpretation, it is all but impossible to compare the magnitude of effects across predictor variables. All you can do is look at the chi-squareds: the chi-squared for country is dwarfed by the anti-Israel index, largely exceeded by attitude towards immigrants, and performs really no better than religion.
Dear** Really**:
Welcome to Finn’s List! We are the club of Dopers who have been identified by Dickosaurus Vex as, racists and/or trolls, liars, anti-Semites and other affinity groups too numerous to list here. (The record for multiple identity is Red Furry, who is singularly identified as a drunk.)
We have no plans for a gathering, as stadium space that exceeds 1,000 seats is prohibitively expensive, but we welcome you to our number with the calm assurance that you will find convivial company, if not exactly exclusive.
Yours in amused disdain,
E.
::kicks dirt:: Darn, I never get to be called racist troll or liar.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
And this is where we end this dance, as you’re bullshitting. I didn’t cite my post as his support for Spanish imperialism, but his post. Ya know, the one where he said that Spanish imperialism was good, as it civilized the Aztecs?
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You mean the post where he was deliberately poking and needling xt by denigrating the native side of his latino heritage? You’re citing that as proof of how he really feels about Spanish imperialism? Seriously? I can understand it if it was a cite that RF can be an argumentative dick (as even he would admit, I’m sure) and nasty in a flamewar, but to think it says anything about how he really feels is a stretch, IMO.
Plus yeah, the Aztecs deserved killing. Well, the ones doing the heart-rippy-thing, anyway.
[QUOTE=Mighty_Girl]
Since I somewhat agree with him, can I please also get one of those labels you are distributing so freely. I always wanted to be a racist.
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I’m sorry, but admission to Finn’s List is strictly regulated. You must be directly identified by Himself. Given the calm and rational tone of your discourse, we are saving a seat for you in anticipation of your impending election.
E.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
Sorry, tinfoil hattist anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering is still anti-Semitic, and still isn’t factual. Yeah, those crafty Jews have been controlling Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all along. I hear they even plot over a tombstone.
But props to you for admitting you’re a racist.
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Dude, seriously?
Lapsed Jew that I am, I get nothing from this administration.
But Kristol, Podhoretz, Wolfowitz, Libby, Perle, Kristol, and others too numerous to name certainly have cashed in. Hell, even that raving anti-Semite Murray Friedman wrote a book about it.
If it is anti-Semitic to say that there are a number of very powerful Jews out there who have had a great deal of influence on our foreign policy, well then fuck it, reality is anti-Semitic. It is no more inaccurate nor worse to observe that a lot of white males have had massive and even disproportionate impact on foreign policy.
[QUOTE=FinnAgain]
Sorry, tinfoil hattist anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering is still anti-Semitic, and still isn’t factual. Yeah, those crafty Jews have been controlling Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld all along. I hear they even plot over a tombstone.
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Let’s see if we can follow your logic here…
Because the statement is “tinfoil hattery”, by which I presume* you mean “crazy conspiracy theory”-type stuff, and “anti-Semitic”, it’s anti-Semitic. Well, that’s not circular reasoning at all. Also, “not factual”, by which presumably you mean America has always chosen which nations to provide military support to by… throwing darts at a map? Challenging the hopeful countries to a spelling bee? Help me out here. Funnily enough, I always thought it was based on voter preference.
*I don’t presume with much conviction, since I’m not sure you speak the same language as the rest of us.
I must say, it’s awfully nice that somebody has finally stepped up to the plate and given me a label. I can now make the necessary changes and move on.
By the way, you’re a child molester.
Everytime I read a bunch of posts by xistme and FinnAgain I always feel like I’ve taken a trip to Idiotsville by way of the Crazy Land Express.
Oh, by the way, luci, I have a few questions about my new affiliation.
Do we get decoder rings?
Since we’re racist, do we have, like, separate offices for each race? I mean, I’m of Indian descent, so obviously I refuse to share a room with you, whitey. Put me in with ascenray.
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Everytime I read a bunch of posts by xistme and FinnAgain I always feel like I’ve taken a trip to Idiotsville by way of the Crazy Land Express.
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Anything to make you feel at home.
Regards,
Shodan
Also, what does the fashion-conscious racist wear these days? Is it still jackboots and shaved heads? I really hope not- that look just doesn’t work after April.
Is it a major faux pas if I go around stomping on the oppressed in flip-flops? It’s too fucking hot here for Doc Martens. Gosh. I hate it when I have to join a new clique. So many rules!
[QUOTE=wring]
::kicks dirt:: Darn, I never get to be called racist troll or liar.
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Well, it’s easy, wring. All you have to do is suggest that US foreign policy tilts a little too heavily in Israel’s direction. Then you wonder aloud if lobbying might be the reason. Then you mention AIPAC.
Presto! Before you can say “Joe McCarthy,” FinnAgain will be along to call you a racist or a troll or a liar – your semi-official induction into the club.
(Bonus troll points if you don’t think Iran is the greatest threat to civilization since bobbed hair.)
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
Oh, by the way, luci, I have a few questions about my new affiliation.
Do we get decoder rings?
Since we’re racist, do we have, like, separate offices for each race? I mean, I’m of Indian descent, so obviously I refuse to share a room with you, whitey. Put me in with ascenray.
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No such rings are necessary, it is perfectly obvious what you meant to say. All such determinations are made by Himself. There is no discussion, and no appeal. Certainly no appeal.
Rooms? Shit, we don’t even have enough chairs!
[QUOTE=spoke-]
(Bonus troll points if you don’t think Iran is the greatest threat to civilization since bobbed hair.)
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I KNEW the Persians were in league with the Flappers!