This. Arrests are a matter of public record, aren’t they? One more lie among thousands will get lost in the noise. It seems it already has.
I sincerely hope that Hearn sues the shit out of this administration, and starts a fund to help people hurt or the familys that had their loved ones murdered. Yes murdered by the Trump admin.
Go David, GO. I bet Katie Phang would back you up along with a LOT of others. Ben Meiseles, and Lawrence O’Donnell to name a few.
Officers say they detained Cameron Thiers, Sophie Dennison-Gibby and Justin Carreno
Those were the only names I could come up with (in a few minutes of googling).
Seems to me that now that Pirro has stated that the damage was a result of poor installation, that would be the end of any and all charges of vandalism.
I agree. I didn’t look any further into it than finding their names, but I did see they were looking at something like a $1000 fine and/or X days in jail. It wouldn’t surprise me if they pleaded guilty, paid the fine and washed their hands of the whole thing. It’s probably what I’d do, just to make it go away as quickly as possible and get the attention off of me. I hate to admit it, but if I did something that wasn’t illegal, and Trump set his sights on me, I’d pay a grand to make it go away.
But for all I know, those cases are still open. Like I said, I stopped looking after I found the names.
These people probably racked up some expensive legal bills. I wonder if this is a situation where a judge can force Pirro’s office to reimburse them. Also, I don’t know the ins and outs of how this works, but I’d hope a judge can dismiss these cases with prejudice. If only because we all know Trump will try to push the charges through again and again.
You could make the damage worse, and that would be vandalism. Like breaking a window on a building with graffiti (or other broken windows). Not that I think the people in this case are likely actually guilty of that charge.
Also, note that the charges were dropped without prejudice, which I believe means they can be refiled if further (or in this case any) evidence turns up.
Just to add some context. There is a (low) level of discipline that is private. The public won’t know. So, it’s possible for a lawyer to be disciplined by the Bar without the public getting to know.
The level of misconduct that can be treated privately, etc varies by jurisdiction. I don’t know how it works for DC Bar. Very generally, it would isolates misconduct, no prior misconduct, doesn’t directly hurt a client. Things like that.
The Trump lawyers I can think of by name would not fall into that category. I can imagine random lawyers getting caught in the middle of situations and making poor decisions who might get private reprimands.
I believe David Hearn, for one, received free legal assistance, so perhaps no out-of-pocket expense. (At least for him.)
Yep, unlike the metric tons of nonsense spewed to the public, even members of the trump admin or their lawyers will seldom dare to lie in court.
IIRC, among the, I think it was 60+ court cases filed in the wake of trump’s loss in 2020, none attested to election fraud. Giuliani was even asked point-blank by a judge at one point “are you and your team claiming election fraud?” And he answered “no, your honor”. All the court filings were weaselly attempts to try to get blocks of votes thrown out on supposed legal technicalities.
Next time someone tries to tell me I have TDS because I’m brainwashed by the lying lamestream media, I’ll tell them “you want the truth? Read a few court transcripts”.
I will push back on this. First, I agree with your overall point. There is a huge difference between what is said publicly and what is said in legal filings. Totally
agree.
However, “seldom dare lie in court”. I don’t agree here, certainly if that includes lying by withholding the truth/evidence of a situation before the Judge.
Judges are now fed up with Govt lawyers. There used to be a “presumption of regularity”. The assumption that Govt lawyers were truthfully representing the situation to the Judge. It was up to Defense to prove otherwise. That presumption is being eroded, rightfully.
One Judge said, “You have taken the presumption of regularity and you’ve destroyed it.” Lots of Judges feel and say the same.
On my phone, it’s glitchy on here, but happy to provide cites.
Late: to be clear, I mean representing the facts of a situation (we didn’t vindictively prosecute this alleged criminal); situations/facts in front of a Judge. not the facts of the crime that would go to a jury. Of course there is no presumption there. The standard innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt applies.
No.
If you are charged with a crime, and the evidence crumbles, you get to go home and go on with your life. There’s no compensation because the government messed up.
This was a criminal indictment. Judges can’t dismiss those with prejudice. Either a grand jury determines that there is sufficient evidence to find probable cause for a crime, or they don’t.
Here’s a quote from Senator Whitehouse during Blanche’s confirmation hearing:
And they also went on and made the other adverse findings about the department’s conduct. And the problem here, Mr. Blanche, is that it’s not just that one occasion between judges appointed by every president harshly criticizing the department’s work in your tenure, grand juries rejecting indictments, judicial findings of outright misconduct, capable lawyers fleeing the stinking ship… This seems to be the most troubled Department of Justice in history. Here are some of the misconduct findings against your US attorneys…These are red flag words that when I was a US attorney would have provoked at minimum an internal conversation about what the hell went wrong, and very likely a conversation with OPR and maybe OPR pursuit. Words like pretext mean a lot coming from a judge about a government argument, usually enjoying the presumption of regularity.
I’m sure there’s a million videos of it, but I saw it in this (cued up) Legal Eagle video.
The same guy who keeps whining about how the 2020 election was “stolen” from him? The same guy who still holds a grudge against the publishers of the long-gone Spy magazine for calling him a “short-fingered vulgarian” almost 40 years ago? 
Did Whitehouse actually say “stinking” or is that a typo? I like to think that’s what he said.
Right, he internalizes that because he got away with it, he must have been right all along.
I think this goes way, way beyond misconduct. She tried to destroy a person (and by extension, his family) because her boss F’d up. Her boss wanted a scapegoat. That’s all it freaking is.
THAT is the clear evidence, and we all know it.
Disbar her NOW. I would also have some serious questions for the school where she got her law degree. Make them squirm.
I agree. Pirro should not be licensed based on her conduct.
Generally, to clarify “misconduct” and how it relates to Bars is it’s conduct that goes it against its ethical rules. Rules you need to follow to keep your license. Most, if broken, would not be criminal misconduct. Certainly it can be, though.
So, not returning a client call timely, not being candid with the Court, and mixing client funds with your own, etc are all misconduct re a Bar point of view. Just varying degrees of egregiousness of misconduct with varying levels of punishment to match the level of misconduct. Private reprimand being lowest punishment up to lifetime disbarment being highest.
You can obviously overlap into criminal conduct but that’s not the Bars jurisdiction. For Pirro, if we think anything is criminal, we’d point to the crime and judge her conduct against the criminal statute, not whether she violated a bar’s rules.
In the video he says “stinking”, but I’m not sure if those were his words or if he was quoting someone.
Is it illegal to knowingly lie to the court? It is certainly contept or court, is it not? She should be in prison at least untill she makes a formal apology to the court and David Hearn.
And then disbarred.
There are some obvious issues with charging someone for damaging the liner.
The first, of course, is that you have to prove that they damaged it. They are admitting that the damage was due to shoddy workmanship and being in too big a hurry (I assume that it needed time to cure and they didn’t do that). And driving a motorcade with a 20,000 pound limo over the relatively freshly laid liner probably wouldn’t help much.
Second is that they would have to prove damages. If he did some small amount of damage, how much extra is it going to cost specifically to repair the specific damage he caused? If they have to redo the entire job anyway, how much damage did he do?