Guys, guys…
It’s simple really. You just narrow down the time frame so that it includes the smallest number of violent incidents from the right.
When did that senator snatch the phone from a students hand again? Let’s start right after that.
Wait… Trump just praised a congressman for assaulting a reporter*. We’ll start after that.
*law and order party, folks.
I just don’t think it will matter to you. You pretty much conceded it already.
And, again (we’re getting to the point where we’re just repeating ourselves), I know the why you chose that. Because that’s the right wing talking point you took and found support for. Not over some principled rational that you want to take a stance against violence, but because it fit the conclusion you wanted to make.
Which, again I’m repeating yourself, wasn’t an issue you gave a shit about when the Democrats were in power and the victims. When democrats and non-politicians are the victims, it wasn’t (and isn’t) even on your radar. You didn’t say to yourself “Hey, look at the violence and threats against democrats who voted for Obamacare. Hey, look at the fact Obama gets 400% more death threats than Dubya did. Hey, look at the fact the far right has killed dozens of people in the last decade while liberals did vastly less. Fuck, even campaign managers threating their opponent with firing squads and hanging is pretty bad. Maybe I shouldn’t vote Republican.” Nope it wasn’t until you bought into the talking point that it mattered to you.
So, you’ve made your point. Again, a useless, bullshit rationalization of a point, but you made it. I’ve countered it, both with actual stats and arguments. I’ve pointed out your inconsistencies, your cherry picking, and your post-hoc decision making. I’m not sure what else I can do. I certainly can’t convince you, I know that much.
This. Is an interesting and excellent question.
When Dick Durbin applied the nuclear option for a Supreme Court nominee, I believe Mitch McConnell said “you are going to regret this, and sooner than you think.”
I think that was prophetic.
Times are divisive. More than they have ever been in my life. There is danger in not working together. There is danger in escalating.
I think that it is extremely fucking stupid for the left to resort to violence and harassment because:
It is morally wrong
They can win by being reasonable. Trump is scary. Being scarier than Trump makes Trump the less scary choice. Being reasonable wins votes.
The right will return the favor, and, frankly, they will be a lot better at the violence than the left is. Shutting down republican/conservative speeches has been an almost exclusive tactic of the left recently. The right just started like two days ago. This is a bad sign. Antifa has been provocative and violent. Groups from the right are now beginning to show up ready and prepared for this.
If we don’t stop now it is going to get really bad.
Lots of people are going to die.
We need liberalism very badly right now, and it can win by being reasonable, sane, and by sticking to it’s non violent, non intimidation based ethos.
Radical leftism, the violence hate and insanity that goes with it will cause the left to lose.
We need liberalism so bad, that you decide to vote against it?
:dubious:
I’d like to think so.
It isn’t true, but I’d like to think so.
Oh yeah: Breitbart’s list includes stuff like “February 2, 2018: CNN Writer Thanks God for Fatal GOP Train Wreck” and “January 31, 2018: Party thrown to hurl stuff at television image of Trump.”
By that standard, half of Trump’s tweets would make the list, and probably a dozen or so quotes from each of his pep rallies would do the same. We’d have a list into four digits long, just from the yuuuuuge guy himself.
It’s already bad, and people are already dying.
They’re just not dying in ways that Republicans care about.
Thank you for actually looking. As I mentioned I didn’t count 170 of the list, mostly for reasons like that.
So where are the incidents where people are killed by left-wing terrorists?
Narrator voice: there aren’t any.
You are not taking into account that the left wing is so sneaky that they do their terroristic efforts like a ninja, leaving no trace behind.
???
That’s not relevant to anything I am discussing.
I don’t think it would make sense to hold Democrat officials or their supporters to task for left wing terrorists. I assume they don’t approve, and aren’t a part of it.
Actually, there were, if you read iiandyii’s link.
OK, let’s roll tape:
(Bolding mine.)
Good. Now rightist elements have been responsible for at least 36 dead and 43 injured since the beginning of last year.
That is “where the hate and violence is coming from now”; “[t]hey are and have been responsible for the current tide of hate.” Your words. Eat them.
Actually, I’m anxious to see how you define your sets to weasel out of this, to include just the right things, and exclude just the right things, to be able to pretend you still have an argument.
No one in this thread is in favor of violence. Scylla has just failed to convince anyone that the GOP’s present political messaging (that liberals are spreading violence and hate) is anything aside from political messaging. I’m sure lots of conservatives are buying into this political message and propaganda like Breitbart puts out, but that’s all based on an agenda, not on facts. The facts show that there’s been no increase in left-wing violence, and the same trend for overall violence holds (aside from an uptick in white supremacist violence) for the last decade or two – right-wing extremism accounts for significantly more violence, today and in the recent past, than left wing extremism.
Which one, and please quote the appropriate parts. He’s linked to multiple pages in this thread.
I’ve been over this a couple of times.
White Supremacist stabs black men is one of the 36. Do you think we hold Republican officials or constituents responsible for that?
Nazi kid harasses teen girls, stabs two who intervene. What is Republican redponsibilty here.
Nazis and racists are bad.
I responded to this exact issue in my post of 10:14.
At the last election, 46.1% of the vote went to Republicans.
Obviously that only covers people who are both a) of voting age and b) could be bother to vote, but let’s extrapolate for a second and say that approximately 40-45% of Americans would qualify as Republican in their beliefs, either now or in the future.
Are you really arguing that you think 40% of your country are contemptible?
Yep. And I’ve proven you wrong.
Looks like you’re moving the goalposts to a very different place now. Well, you can do that, but I’m not going to chase the new goalposts every time you move them.