The same amount that they have done against transgender identifying people.
Can you move? Even if you can’t leave the US, there are states that are probably safer for you and your family.
Do you even read this shit you write?
You disingenuous snivelling troll
It would suck for all the reasons moving sucks. I’d have to pull 2 kids out of their school, one of whom has an established IEP. I’d have to leave one kid in college behind. My wife would have to find a new job. I’d have to drop out of my degree program.
But yes, we’ve started talking about it nonetheless. Michigan was one of the safer states we were considering… womp womp. Maryland or Pennsylvania or New Hampshire were other options, but all have their risks of caving to fascism. Safest would be CA perhaps, or OR, but I have no connections there.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m better off than most Americans and at least I have the option, however much it will unravel our lives. At this point though, it’s a toss of the dice. The fascists are everywhere.
What about the rights of adult transfolk to compete in women’s sports? I am not trans, but that seems pretty low on my list as well.
The point: if a Democratic Presidential candidate wants to curb trans rights on the edges while leaving medical decisions to physicians, that seems to me to be pro-trans on net even if he doesn’t check all the boxes. Politics is the art of the possible, and avoiding politicians who specifically target less-than-majority groups for harm, seems to me to be in the interest of less-than-majority groups.
Nazi-discriminatory-actions-preceding-the-Holocaust are not uniformly genocidal, just as American actions preceding Hiroshima do not uniformly lead to nuclear war.
Fight the war in front of you, not the hypothetical one with hypothetical rhetoric. It’s going to be a tough fight and we need to limit (not end) the distractions.
Remember that this is the trock who cleverly made his username an anagram of “cornfield”.
If I’m understanding your point further, would I be better off living under a hypothetical Democratic party that was able to 100% defeat Republican fascism but also criminalized trans people in the same way Republicans are currently doing? Maybe. Probably.
I don’t know where these lines are. I probably shouldn’t be glib about anyone’s rights. I’m just filled with rage about what’s happening to our country, the systems I’ve believed in, and my family.
Good question, but not mine. Good question though: a Democratic Presidential administration realistically probably will be pretty limited in its ability to regulate things at the state level. And if the Dems win the trifecta, they will be reluctant to spend the political capital in 2027.
My point: Gavin Newsom supports gender affirming care but like Rhonda Rousey has some misgivings about transwomen who have experienced male puberty playing women’s sports. You can reverse your gender, but the past is the past. This is the sort of thread needling that I say is beneficial to a minority despised by a thankfully shrinking share of the population.
PVI: Cook Partisan Voting Index, an objective measure of a state’s blueness, redness or purpleness.
State PVI
Vermont D+17
Maryland D+15
Massachusetts D+14
Hawaii D+13
California D+12
Washington D+10
Connecticut D+8
Delaware D+8
New York D+8
Oregon D+8
Rhode Island D+8
Colorado D+6
Illinois D+6
Maine D+4
New Jersey D+4
New Mexico D+4
Minnesota D+3
Virginia D+3
New Hampshire D+2
Michigan EVEN
Wisconsin EVEN
Doesn’t this effectively mean banning trans women from sports?
Well, no. If it did mean that for adult transwomen, I say it would be a worthy sacrifice to keep gender-affirming care in the hands of medical professionals. (Who, by the way, receive brickbats from more than one side).
But, no. It goes without saying that we’re discussing spectator sports and not sports in general. You could have women’s sports and open gender sports. You could leave this to the specific sport governing bodies, rather than legislating it. You could be open to a conversation about limiting trans athletes’ participation if it were conducted in a way that’s respectful and responsible and could find a kind of balance, to quote Gavin Newsom.
Or you can be a small-tent Democrat, maintain your purity, and lose to fascism.
ETA below:
For high school, middle school, and elementary school sports, you could do everything at the local level without statewide legislation. You could leave this to the specific sport governing bodies, rather than legislating it. You could be open to a conversation about limiting trans athletes’ participation if it were conducted in a way that’s respectful and responsible and could find a kind of balance, to quote Gavin Newsom.
Zoobi clearly wants to lose to the fascists. They should at least be honest if that’s their proposal.
So yes, transwomen would be effectively banned from any highschool or older organized sports.
You should at least be honest that’s your proposal.
Not in certain sports where gender is irrelevant. The equestrian sports (horse racing, show jumping, eventing, endurance races (100-mile Tevis Cup, e.g., for example)) are open to any competitor who’s good enough and has the right horse, and sheer physical strength, whether cis or trans, is well down on the list of the most important considerations. I daresay various motor sports would be equally uninfluenced by the trans-ness of any woman competing.
You could also allow treatments that delay puberty, so that trans people would never have to go through the wrong puberty. Once that happens, a few years later you’d have plenty of adult transwoman athletes who haven’t gone through male puberty.
And of course the bigots are doing their damnedest to ban that. “Child abuse” doncha know.
You could also have more coed sports. There are lots of social leagues that aren’t restricted by gender. The vast majority of people who participate in sports will never be champions anyway.
And justifiably so! Can’t imagine having to go through this.
But yes we all must be careful about translating what we think we’d be willing to give up or not, into what others should give up or not.
Wouldn’t 5 be 1% of 500, and .1% of 5000, and .01% of 50,000?
‘Hey, what if let the negros vote but still ban them from water fountains?’
Are you trans? If not, then maybe you should shut the fuck up about worthy sacrifices that you don’t have to make.
Happy to answer your question crows. I’m fighting fascism, so I damn well am allowed to withhold support for any demand given by another group, even another oppressed group. You want my support? Get in line.
I don’t write blank checks.
Now how about you shut the fuck up you preening blowhard?
Heh, good luck with that…