There are also the Sandie Peggie and Darlington Nurses legal cases happening right now too - no Donald Trump there, just female people who don’t want any not-female people around where they take their clothes off.
Setting aside your objection to the notion that transwomen are women and vice versa, keep this in mind. The current generally accepted rule, the one Republicans are trying to replace is: people who present as women go to the women’s room, and people who present as men go to the men’s room.
That is to say, under the new, stupid rule that “many female people” are invested in, they will have to share their restroom with people who present as men, have masculine features, facial hair, muscles, etc. For some reason, this never really comes up.
I believe that reason this never comes up is either because people haven’t thought through their own policy, or that they actually have no intention of sharing spaces with trans people and hope that this law, and other assaults on trans rights, will cause trans people to stop existing.
By every proposed law and by definition they already do.
Not that that’s stopped ciswomen who look too masculine from being harassed, assaulted, and arrested for doing what certain folks claim they want.
Insert photo of someone that looks like Buck Angel here.
Lots of people are still in favour of trans rights as long as you mean the right to “call yourself what you please, dress how you like, and sleep with whatever consenting adult will have you”.
If this is bundled with “and also everyone has to agree that gender identity is the difference between men and women, and sex doesn’t matter” then the trans rights movement will lose. Because most people think that sex is more important.
You can, if you like, “win arguments” by simply denying that this is the case and excluding people who say this from your conversation spaces, but the net result of this is just that lots of people turn to the only action left to them to get their preferences met - voting for Donald Trump. Despite the fact that, yes, he’s a nutter on most issues.
Terfs generally refer to this as “the massive open goal for the right”. And they’re kicking through it right now.
Have you actually listened to Buck talk about the trans rights movement? Buck self-labels as “transsexual” specifically to be distanced from the trans rights movement, is aware of being female, says “I made myself look male in order to manage a mental illness that I have” and is generally extremely terfy. Buck Angel is quite sensible. Be like Buck.
Yet we have the “War On Pronouns” in the face of the very first part of your list.
But this is the case under self-id. So we don’t actually lose anything. Hence my point that we’re currently living in the world that sex self-id made.
I see you’re not going to address the actual issue. And my prediction of Angel’s opinions would be the new topic was correct!
Do we? This thread is moving too fast for me to go back and check.
In any case, pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to”, not “people can’t use gender-based pronouns for themselves.”
The government wants acdurate sex information because that’s what most people are actually interested in
Which is rude and dismissive and often bigoted.
No, pronoun objections are usually “other people shouldn’t have to use your gender-id-based pronouns if they don’t want to” which effectively is “people can’t use gender-based pronouns for themselves.”
Well, if you’re going to specifically bring up a particular person in support of your side then, yes, whether they support your side is relevant.
You claim sex-based categories are worse for women than gender-based categories - I claim the opposite. Do you have more validated reports of female people being harassed for using female services than I have of female people being traumatised by having to put up with obviously male people in places where they want no male people there?
I didn’t.
I can see the name “Buck Angel” right there in your post
Preceded by? Oh yeah, Insert photo of someone that looks like
“Be like Buck.” Does this mean that you’re encouraging transgender people to decide that their transgenderism is a “mental illness?”
Not if they don’t actually think that. I support people being honest about what their experience is actually like.
Do you support transgender people who say, “I am a female, despite having been born in a male body?” Do you believe that they are being honest?
When did “honest” become a synonym for “agree with me”?
They are using a different definition of female to the one most people use. If they say “I feel female” - fine. I don’t find that meaningful, but they might.
But definitionally “this person is female” means “their body is the sort that has a female reproductive system”