I thought I’d beat the rush to the pit with this goon. Rhapsody responded to Vanilla’s GD, on the origins of gay prejudices. Needless to say, a full fledged moron of a homophobe, Rhapsody immediately popped in to say:
Firstly, thank you for setting back intelligent debate on this months you FUCKING MAGGOT MAGNET. Christ! And everyone’s giving you a second chance, and it’s my fault because I asked for some comity in the gay debate for thoughtful posters, and you DON’T FUCKING DESERVE IT, because you degraded the GD with your shit-smears – What’s “disgusting?” Define unnatural and non-beneficial to a species?!
Smacks of mental illness?!! :smack: :smack: :smack: NO repectable scientific literature has EVER mentioned this – this is clearly from your fevered, penis-obsessed brain. Never mind explaining the above, then, you mentally deficient hateful little troll. Crawl back into your shit-caverns, for you are the Dingleberry on the Ass of the SDMB, and thank you so very, very, much from fucking over any possible debate on this subject.
Do you know how much grief I’ve gotten over this subject on the last month? We were all fucking primed to have an adult fucking conversation on this, and you run in from… you don’t say your location, you pansy, and that’s probably a good thing, because wherever it is, is fucking embarassed to have a staging ground for assholes.
A quibble that does not detract from the substance of your post (which I agree with):
The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) THE main handbook for psychiatrists for years defined homosexuality as a mental illness or disorder or something bad. It doesn’t any more, but through 1971(? I think) it and many other otherwise respectible publications disscussed homosexuality that way.
Again, I’m only quibbling over that single point. Otherwise, well said.
In a forum like GD, you might want to focus on actual answers instead of your ill-informed personal convictions. In this case, “for a long time, homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness by reputable scientists” might have been a more constructive answer than “I think homosexuality is a mental disorder”. No one’s stopping you from airing your view on things: but presentation is everything when it comes to delicate matters such as these.
Ace, people like that are not worth a burst vein. Seems like s/he just wants to get a rise out of people. Either that, or they really are that ignorant.
Homebrew, you still don’t get it do you? You obviously never read what either Ace or I have been saying in other threads. Mainly, that there is no reason to burn people at the stake who may or may not have an honest but unpopular point, like Uncle Toby, with the same vitriol used for such obvious morons as Uigi and Rhapsody here. In so doing you water down your side and people tend to regard you as the Chicken Little of political correctness. Not every criticism of your points should be met with “YOU’RE A HOMOPHOBE!!!”
Ace and I can tell the difference between the two types and we gauge our reactions accordingly. You will not find anyone defending Rhapsody here.
The problem, I think, is that people think that because Great Debates is for questions on which people will never agree on a single certifiable-as-correct answer, it’s therefore a place in which one can express opinion and have it treated as sacrosanct.
It is not; it’s a place in which any viewpoint goes – so long as it can be defended by evidence. “All religious beliefs are superstitious twaddle” is as out of place there as “Being gay is not a choice” – not because the asserters do not have a right to their opinions, but because their opinions cannot be born out by factual evidence.
The proper response to Rhapsody’s assertions should not have been to Pit him (her?) but to say.
Cite?
Notwithstanding which, as someone who can understand the stance that His4Ever and Jersey Diamond have taken – which IMHO amounts to “There is an active God; He’s said He is pissed off by gay sex; Therefore, as your friend, I think you deserve to be warned that God’s gonna get you if you don’t quit being gay,” I can see exactly what motivated Ace. For sticking up for people’s rights to say what they think based on some rational or religiously-based standard, he himself has been condemned by others. So, having stuck his neck out to try to preserve a balanced discourse on a hot-button issue, he is blindsided by Rhapsody’s homophobic dump. And, Rhapsody, your first post in Vanilla’s thread was precisely that. I don’t care if you can get a unanimous vote of the American Psychiatric Association to validate that post now – you rendered an opinion that you had every reason to know would be offensive to a fair proportion of the membership here, including some of us who are not gay but stand for fair treatment for gays, without any support whatsoever. If it wasn’t trolling, it was homophobic – you get to choose which to categorize it as.
And, for having stuck his neck out for those who try to express a negative opinion of homosexual acts and say so in a non-hateful tone (so far as that’s possible), he takes offense at Rhapsody’s short, opinionated, and hate-filled post, and for that gets tarred by him (her?).
You’re busting on the wrong guy. Homebrew has been among the more moderate gay debaters and tried repeatedly to get His4Ever to explain her views and engage in a reasoned discussion.
I don’t see the distinction you are trying to draw: calling homosexuality a “perversion,” as Uncle Toby did, is indistinguishable from calling it a “mental illness,” as Rhapsody did. I see no reason to cuddle up to JerseyDiamond or any of her microcephalic cohorts who support stripping me of my civil rights because who they don’t like who I sleep with. Any party that wishes to denigrate me for loving a man had better be prepared to wear their guts for garters (figuratively speaking, of course).
This infuriates me–how can you say that you “understand” this? It is “superstitious twaddle,” made dangerous because people like JerseyDiamond use their wacky hate-based beliefs as a basis to use politics as a tool to take away gay peoples’ rights.
What if the fundies put out this argument:
“There is an active God; He’s said He is pissed off by refusing to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah; Therefore, as your friend, I think you deserve to be warned that God’s gonna get you if you don’t quit being Jewish.”
Would you defend that as a “rational, religion-based standard”?
I don’t want the fundie Muslims telling me I can’t have beer; I don’t want fundie Jews telling me I can’t have pork; and I don’t want fundie Christians telling me I can’t have dick. I’m not a member of your damend relgion, so stop imposing your damned beliefs on me.
JFTR, gobear, on the assumption that the “who” in your medial clause has as antecedent both parts of the object of “to cuddle up to” (which may not be a valid assumption), IIRC Jersey, while she considers gay sex sinful and disgusting and thinks being gay is a choice you could give up, does not necessarily support anti-gay-rights legislation – adopting a live-and-let-live attitude. I believe she drew that distinction in response to a diatribe by one of the gay posters at one time.
There are, however, a fair number of people on her side who could charitably be described a “microcephalic cohorts who support stripping [you] of your rights” – so if your antecedent was solely the latter half of the compound object, you’re entirely on target. But in fairness to Jersey, while I feel that she is not only sinning against you as an individual but failing to honor her commitment to show Christ by word and action to her fellow men, and have criticized her publicly for that, to the best of my memory you did or would be misrepresenting her by including her in that assertion.
Bang-on, as usual. I didn’t wait for the Cite? (which came soon after) since Rhapsody was clearly about to be pitted for being a Troll; I was trying to keep the nonsense out of the GD thread, so we could actually have an adult discussion.
Although I lost that battle, that you and Beeblebrox (awesome post, btw) clearly understand my points, and that Esprix and Homebrew acknowledge that they don’t, is the best day on the SDMB I’ve had so far.
Knock on wood, it’ll continue to be an okay day here in downtown Manhattan.
Well, if JerseyDiamond has explicitly rejected translating her religious dogma into political repression, then I stand corrected. I apologize for my statement and exclude her from my criticisms.
Besides, gay sex IS sinful and disgusting–if you do it right!
Gobear, this is neither the thread for sorting out who’s who in the Gay Mafia, (Homebrew has not been historically moderate) nor the thread for reopening old wounds with the Fundamentalists.
I’ll direct you to use any of the half-dozen threads that you’ve used to make the same unsupported argument, where you’re welcome to factually back-up your accusations.
Sexcuse me? I have supported my arguments against fundies, from their own posts. That you make some meretricious distinction between religion-based hate speech and whatever the hell **Rhapsody ** is basing his arguments is just defending some kinds of bigotry, but not others.
I think you just like to stir up trouble, arguing on different sides just to get the bad blood flowing.
Those who understand my point of view would also understand why I would pit Rhapsody. This implies you are in neither category. Read Beeblebrox’s response to Homebrew again, you still don’t get it!
