RIP: Joe Frazier [2011]

Smokin’ Joe, dead of Cancer of the liver at 67 LINK

He was a great fighter, winning 32 fights (27 by knockout) losing just 4 (2 to Ali, and 2 to Forman) and 1 tie.

On May 25, 1972, a local fighter, Ron Stander got a shot at the title, fighting Smokin’ Joe in the Civic Auditorium in Omaha NE.

Ron was a pretty successful fighter on the local scene. He is also a really nice guy. That night he was really overmatched. They stopped the fight in the fifth round due to Ron’s excessive bleeding. It took thirty two stitches to close the cuts left by the Champ.

On a personal note, a close friend of Ron’s bet me five hundred bucks that Ron would knock Joe Frazier out. I liked Ron. I still do although I haven’t seen him in a few years. But he was never going to knock Joe Frazier out that night.

Frazier did say after the fight that Ron was one of the hardest punchers he had ever fought.

RIP Champ, and thanks for the extra cash…

That article is three years old.

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Joe Frazier died AGAIN?

While the news appears old, if anyone wants to discuss his career, let’s move this over to the Game Room. I’ve also edited the title to clarify the date of his death.

Excuse my error. About an hour ago, my wife came in the room and said she had seen that Joe Frazier had died. I should have done more research before I posted the thread.

Sometimes I am such an idiot…

A move would be the thing to do. Once more, I apologize for my poor research skills.

No trouble at all to move it over.

Down goes Frazier!..

Again… :slight_smile:

I still appreciated the cash…

This thread reminds me of Saturday Night Live’s 20th Anniversary of JFK’s Death.

I always felt Joe Frazier was like a character in an ironic-twist-deal-with-the-devil story: you will have the greatest left hook in history, and no one will be able to knock you out, offered the dealmaker; and Frazier replied hey, what more could I possibly need?

What “Joe Frazier” reminds me of is how important boxing used to be in my life, and how inconsequential it is now.

When Foreman beat Frazier, I could give you highlights of the careers of every HW champ from John L Sullivan to Foreman (and quite a bit of detail for many of them), and could not conceive of missing a big fight, let alone a championship. And I’m pretty sure I read every word printed about Ali, and a majority of articles about heavyweight boxing in general in the national media, before 1975. Now, I have no idea who the champ is, and the only boxer I can name who I’m pretty sure is still active is Pacquiao.

I guess taking all the big fights off network TV and putting it on PPV had a lot to do with it (although I drove 200 miles to see the first Ali-Frazier fight in a theater), and having three or four concurrent champs in the same weight class also had a lot to do with it, but if you had told my 20-year-old self that there would be a day when I wouldn’t even know the name of the heavyweight champ, I would have thought you were crazy.

Anyway, back to Joe. I never really cared for him – probably because I was a big Ali fan and didn’t consider Frazier’s title legitimate – but he changed my mind when they finally fought for the title. He really did come out smokin’ – never mind the left hook; I never saw a boxer’s head move so fast, bobbing and weaving at hyperspeed, and he did it the entire fight. As an amateur boxer myself, I was in awe of how hard he must have trained to be able to keep up that pace for a full 15 rounds. I considered it the greatest athletic performance I had ever seen.

Which made me appreciate Foreman all the more, when he made Frazier look like a second-rate Tough Guy competitor. Young people today know Foreman as a big, fat, smiling goof, but in the early 70’s, he was like the Terminator, scowling and devastating. Ali had his toughest fights (before he continued fighting well past his prime) with Frazier and Norton, and Foreman made both of them look like tomato cans.

Poor Joe, he probably thought beating Ali would at last make him popular, but the only people it made him popular with were the rednecks who hated Ali for “dodging” the draft.

Reminds me of an even sadder story, when Sonny Liston won the championship by knocking out Floyd Patterson in about 2 minutes. He had done time, and had worked as a mob enforcer, and people considered him a thug, while Patterson was about as popular as a black champion could be at that time. After beating Patterson easily, Liston reportedly spent the flight back home practicing a speech about how he would do his best to be a good champion and put his past behind him. He naturally expected a big crowd to greet him, but when he got off the plane, there was nobody there except for a couple of local sportswriters. Not even winning the greatest title in sports could get people to admire him.

This is interesting timing, as I’ve been indirectly reading about Frazier while creating a Wikipedia article about one of his lesser-known opponents (Manuel “Pulgarcito” Ramos).

It really does seem like Ali went overboard in casting Frazier as a heel, especially after the support he’d given Ali.

Sure, Ali did what he could to get inside the head of everyone he fought, but with Frazier he took it to another level.

They had some limited reconciliation toward the end of Frazier’s life, but Ali’s apologies don’t come off as very sincere.

In your defense longhair75, I apparently missed it the first time he died so it was truly new news to me. I was never into boxing but I remember my dad saying that Frazier was the better fighter and Ali was the better bullshitter.