Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

I mean…even IF Ukraine did it, so what? Russia has already launched like 100,000 bombs, missiles, shells at Ukraine. Russia hardly has the slightest grounds to complain about receiving something in kind.

This would be like Japan complaining about the Doolittle Raiders hitting Tokyo, months after Pearl Harbor!

Japan did complain, claiming that the Doolittle raids targeted civilian populations, unlike the Pearl harbor attacks. Japan then killed literally tens of thousands of Chinese for aiding the Doolittle crews to escape.

Trolling Russia is cool for Ukraine, not so much for the U.S. We don’t want there to be any doubt that it wasn’t NATO.

Why? Is the Chinless Wonder going to unleash his vast remaining reserves of military power :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: to invade the US? Is he going to deploy nukes?

Are you joking? if he thinks NATO attacked Russia he obviously fucking would.

Despite this, the siege of Mariupol continues.

EDIT: The surrender has not yet been verified.

I don’t think surrendering is going to end up well for them sadly.

Indeed.

The video comes from a Russian channel, so it cannot be believed at face value, certainly the stated number of marines.

Will need to wait to see if its confirmed by other sources.

As if Putin needs a reason to use nukes.

I find it difficult to believe these men could surrender without being executed.

Maybe a few would be spared for propaganda.

How do any of the Ukrainians walk without clanking?

That’s true. The Ukrainians are fighting beyond most people’s expectations.

Anonymous is still digging up personal information in Russia.

Latest campaign assessment from the Institute for the Study of War:

Another factor is that the world pays attention when there isn’t much moral ambiguity. The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria treated the Russian minority so badly it was hard to root for them. Ukrainians treat their Russian civilian population well.

A lot of attention was paid to the Rwandan genocide, where the Tutsis were clear victims. Less was paid to the Congo wars that killed more people, except, maybe, when there was an obvious bad-guy theme, as with child soldiers.

Also more attention is paid, in the U. S., when it seems to have some similarity to something we know a lot about, like racial discrimination in old South Africa. In the Ukraine case, the similarity is to World War II.

The biggest war this year in Africa, the I hope, just now ending Tigray civil war, was one in which it was hard to know who to root for, so, the war got less publicity despite being a Biden administration priority.

50 posts were split to a new topic: Outcome of nuclear escalation

Not according to the one guy I “know.” He’s a fellow clan member in World of Warships and speaks Russian. Judging by the time zone he’s somewhere in Central Europe but he’s swallowed hook, line, and sinker the Russian propaganda passing as news, and among other things claims Putin’s invasion was entirely justified by the poor treatment the evil Ukranians were affording ethnic Russians.

It’s all too familiar to anyone in the US with any political savvy and I suspect the only reason he’s still in the clan is it’s been kept on the Discord message boards so far and not the in-game chat. Personally, I avoid playing when he’s commonly in the game.

I could have qualified it.

About 95 percent of ethnic Russians fled Chechnya.

Putting aside the Russian occupied zones, ethnic Russians appear little more likely to become refugees than other Ukrainian citizens. This gave me that impression:

Ukrainians with family in Russia

Some might say this doesn’t prove much, since treatment of a minority has to become extremely bad before they will give up everything they have always known. But it shows something.

He’s doing well at home. NBC News reported he had 2/3 support of Russians. Of course that could be a lie

“Independent” polling group Levada reports an 83% approval rating – which is pretty low in a country where responding «не одобряю» feels like it could land you in prison for a couple decades.

Lie is too strong a word. But the leading independent pollster says Putin approval is at 82 percent:

Levada Center

If sanctions just generally hurt the economy, maybe that would be counted against Putin. But anti-Russian-people sanctions, like kicking disabled Russians out of the Paralympics, played into the up-against-a-world-that-hates-us narrative pushing Putin well above that 2/3 mark you mentioned.

I think we are doing a terrible job at psychological warfare, and those polls show it.