Sam Stone believes Trump's tweets

The BBQ Pit
1504

As has been pointed out, it’s not that you didn’t know. (or purported not to know).

The thing is how you responded. By basically accusing anyone who DID know of
"see Nazis under the bed, and you read a lot of stories about Nazis "
or “Nazi aficionados, or Nazi hunters.” who obsess about Nazis.

That’s the point. Instead of simply saying “hmmm, I did not know that”, you immediately go on the attack, like an asshole.

You posted in threads where this term was used. Apparently you don’t read the other comments in threads where you post. Or you can’t remember them. Whatever. But own it - attacking others for your own ignorance is what you’re being pitted for.

1505

Since this is the Pit, would like to officially place… on the record… my suspicions that Sam’s constant reporting of posts which dare mention his name outside the Pit, thereby getting threads closed, appears to be purposely destructive behavior on his part.

This is genuinely shitty behavior, Sam.

There’s good information in the Elon Musk thread. However, once it became clear Musk was either (a) an idiot or (b) purposely destroying his asset… because you could only contribute a faux code review, a tepid defense of Musk’s physics degree, and a too-loud “I never heard of that!” when you forgot this Board has a 23-year memory (and people smarter than either of us re: search)… you got upset that your contributions were given the type of attention they deserved. And when WE mentioned that there were lots of flags… well, doesn’t take a genius to read that thread to figure out who/what was flagging/flaggable.

You didn’t have to do the code review post. I read it and asked “is he high? He sounds high. This is what I sound like when I’m high.” The entire post was pure imagination, likely had zero to do with whatever the fuck is happening at Twitter, and seemed more like a code review done by your Programming 102 teacher’s assistant than something done at a company Twitter’s size. I kinda found it amusing, others… those who are actual professionals at this sort of thing… found it laughable.

The 88 post was you inviting your detractors to prove you wrong. Note that I made the same argument, but didn’t receive any shit? Perhaps… just go with me, man… perhaps it’s because I don’t have a history of supporting evil people with evil ideas, people whose main goal is to hurt the society they wish to remove themselves from?

Perhaps?

And then there was the physics degree post. You return to the thread after 14 days to post a Wiki cite re: a sidebar issue? In that two weeks, Sam, it was abundantly clear that all your prognostications were incorrect, that Musk was legitimately destroying value, true economic value (see my posts reviewing the financials)… and you came back with a Wiki cite about something not even germaine to the thread.

Not even a simple ‘yeah, looks like this guy is struggling, I was mistaken’, nah, you took those goalposts and moved them back in time to 1996. Amazing stuff. Couldn’t have been more irrelevant had you tried. :clap:

And now it looks like your whining killed it. Yet another communications asset destroyed by the Right.

1506

Yup.

I wanna show you a way you could handle it, @Sam_Stone.

A couple of weeks ago, posters were discussing Herschel Walker, and someone called him a brain-damaged moron. Another poster, out of the blue, called Fetterman a brain-damaged moron, referring to his stroke, and I was pissed off about it, because it’s one thing to call a dumbass a brain-damaged moron, but it’s beyond the pale to say that about someone who’s actually suffered a stroke.

I brought it up. Someone else pointed out to me that Herschel Walker’s years of football had likely led to traumatic brain injury.

Did I get shirty? Did I get petulant? Did I double down?

You decide.

It’s possible to change your mind with new information, and to thank people for bringing it up. It’s possible to do so without having a victim mindset.

I encourage you to try.

1507

I think Sam is a terrible poster and terrible human, but I’ve been reporting several of the recent posts that break the rules about attacking the poster to drag him, because I suspect a lot of other posters think the rules shouldn’t apply in his case, which is long term destructive to the forum.

1508

Ok, will retract… with reservations… the quoted part.

But the post review stands. While we are talking financials, news reports, and other pertinent information, Sam comes in with a wiki cite for a sidebar, an imaginary code review, and some never-needed-to-be-said defense of Musk/88. The quality of his contributions since his 11.18 return to the thread just sucked.

1509

We are in a thread dedicated to attacking me every way possible. 1500 messges and counting. I did not ‘immediately go on the attack’. I’ve been getting attacked here, over increasingly trivial things, for years. The vast majority I have simply ignored. Now I’m getting attacked for not knowing a Nazi dog whistle, and when I claim ignorance I get told I’m a liar. So I respond with some snark and get dragged for ‘immediately going on the attack’.

No one has thinner skin than bullies. And this thread is full,of them. You can attack me incessantly, and when I get fed up and push back, suddenly you’re like, “You are attacking people! How DARE you!”

The people immeditely going on the attack are the ones who run to the pit to attack my character when I say something they don’t like. That is, if they can’t help themaelves from attacking me outside the pit, which is also happening more frequently.

Some day you assholes are going to pull this stunt on someone in real pain, and if they harm themselves or others over it, you’ll have to live with it. And you’ll cause a world of hurt for the people who run the SDMB, who don’t need this shit. Constantly attacking and needling people you don’t like can have consequences, even on the Internet.

1510

Why don’t you ask the mods how many times I report posts? Or do you think they’d be lying too?

And if the mods close a thread, is it the fault of people who reported the board violations, or the people doing the violating? This sounds like when people get bullied and report the bullies, they get attacked for ‘tattling’.

The actual shitty behviour is from the people who behve so shitty that they get threads closed - not the people who report them.

That said, I reported one post yesterday, and almost never report when people attack me outside the pit. Mybe a handful of times in the past several years.

And your slander of me was worse than anything I’ve been accused of doing here. You took a shot at me and accused me of ‘shitty behaviour’ with exactly zero evidence. You should be ashamed of yourself.

1511

Sure.

You’ve been playing the victim for years. The modus operandi seems to be “Everyone is attacking me for innocently posting shit that is factually false, so instead of getting better sources that are accurate, I will lash out and act like an asshole to everyone. That will show them”

Years of doing this has led to the point where most folks just think you’re an asshole.

You didn’t get attacked and push back in the past. You were called on your inaccuracies, and then doubled down on them, and then attacked others for daring to disagree with you. Now, of course, the default assumption is that you’re an asshole, so you’re treated that was from the get-go.

You built this persona.

You could solve it by:

  1. Get better sources. Be critical of the crap sources that tell you what you want to hear. Everyone needs to follow this advice.

  2. When called on an inaccurracy in on e of your posts - don’t just knee jerk double down and resort to insults and defensiveness. Look into it. Maybe your sources are full of crap. Stop and think.

  3. Respond to what is being said, not what you hear. For example, in the Elon Musk thread, people are saying that a simple screenshot of code sent by thousands of developers at once is a CRAP way of weeding out poor performers. You respond with a lengthy post about how code checking is an important part of any tech business with lengthy examples of bad code. NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Talk about constructing a reply to an argument that nobody made. If you were stupid, folks here would cut you some slack. But you’re not stupid, so folks here assume you are just being disingenuous and constructing a straw man.

1512

To be fair to Sam he does get a fair share of dumbass knee jerk responses when he’s wrong about something.

Of course he also gets some that are mean, but absolutely correct, or even just absolutely correct, and he never seems to notice those …

1513

Another thing bullies tend to say when the objects of their derision push back. Second only to, “He was asking for it”, which makes up the other half of your post.

1514

Oh well.

1515

You reap what you sow.

1516

And again: It would behoove you to respond to what is being said, not what you hear.

When your flaws are pointed out, and suggestions for improvement are made, all you hear is “they are being mean to me”

You must buy your straw wholesale.

1517

Why do you persevere here?

1518

I’m going to go out on a limb here, and defend @Sam_Stone a bit.

The reason this thread is so long is not a testament to Sam being evil. Most such threads are cut short because the asshole being pitted was banned. Sam is in fact an intelligent and sincere poster who happens to have extremely regrettable far-right political views. If he’s obstinate about his positions, maybe it’s because being constantly pitted by everybody and his dog is a very, very hard position to be in.

I disagree with @Sam_Stone on just about everything, but to be brutally honest, what I’m seeing here is a big bullying pileup that is out of proportion to his actual transgressions, IMHO.

1519

Just for you, I went and looked at how many times I have reported a post in the last calendar year. Here is the complete list, as far as I can tell by looking through my messages:

  1. Yesterday in the Elon Musk Ultimatum thread.
  2. January 26 in a Joe Rogan thread.
  3. December 14 in a Cuomo thread

That’s all that show up in messages, anyway.

This is a small fraction of the number of times I *could have reported a post and chose not to. I don’t like to make a fuss, and I don’t like giving mods more work.

So in fact I do the opposite of what you are accusing me of. If you are partaking in a lot of threads that get closed, perhaps you should take a look in the mirror instead of making assumptions about the person you like to attack.

1520

Thank you for that. Sincerely. And it’s totally okay to disagree with almost everything I say. That’s what debates are for. I would never attack someone personally over a disagreement, even if I think they are horribly wrong. We are all wrong about many things.

1521

You’ve attacked this post twice now after JohnT walked it back. The first time was immediately after the post where he did so.

Learn to take yes for an answer.

1522

But it’s so comfortable up on that cross.

1523

Oh Boo Fucking Hoo, snowflake. Fuck your feelings.

We aren’t your family or co-workers or neighbors or real life friends. We aren’t your children’s educators or the parents of their friends. We don’t even know your real name, and I’m pretty sure we all feel pretty strongly against doxxing, even people we don’t like.

My point being, if you don’t like it here, if it triggers you, if you feel it isn’t a safe enough space for you, you can leave with absolutely no real world financial or social consequences. You can go away and never come back. No harm, no foul.

What you think of as an attack is the expected result when you are an active participant on a site where you know almost everyone has social and political viewpoints that are 180 degrees from yours.
What you think of as a pile-on is just a whole bunch of individuals expressing their individual and often nuanced opinion, and most of us, as individuals, find your views distasteful. And you KNOW this, and you KNOW what kind of response your posts will generate, because I don’t think you’re deluded enough to believe that your way with words is going to convert us to conservatism.

You are getting exactly what is to be expected when you post on a liberal leaning site, and I would expect the same treatment if I could ever find a conservative site that didn’t outright ban everyone that posted a single left of center viewpoint. Which is what the conservative sites do, we at least let you express your views, as odious as we usually find them.

And while we are disagreeing with your views and disparaging the moral character that lies behind them, no one here is trying to find out or threatening to expose your real life identity. No one is trying to make you feel threatened. It’s just words, dude….sticks and stones and all that. You don’t seem to have a problem with “mean tweets” from Trump and his followers, even though he uses people’s real names and causes real life harassment.

I’d really wish you’d turn some of this faux outrage back on the people you’re intent on defending, the school teachers and election workers that have been doxxed and threatened and harassed over right wing culture war issues, the constant thrum of threats from the alt-right directed at Democrats and RINO’s, instead of acting like we’re going to drive you to suicide or something by telling you that you just may not be God’s gift to programming and that Elon Musk is not some sort of once in a lifetime genius Demi-God.