The Arnold Terminator in T2 made it very clear that Terminators can learn, and if you override their “kill, kill, kill” program and let them spend time around humans they will learn.
So of course Cameron would interact with the girls in the bathroom.
It was cool she prevented John from saving suicide girl, nor did anything herself. She doesn’t always have to obey “this John” because he’s not yet “the John.”
Also, I’m willing to bet sometime before the end of the season or the show gets canceled or whatever, Cameron will save an innocent even though it’s inefficient. It’s going to be all about Cameron learning to be human, etc, blah, blah. I’m totally gonna watch. It’s really not that bad.
Well, we’re to assume she’s pregnant, because that’s the obvious thing. However, she also said something about her parents having homeowner’s insurance, I think, which kind of invalidates that.
The painted doors sure seem to be a rather elaborate kind of mindfuck, though.
I’ll have to rewatch if I get time I guess, but can someone tell me if the evil terminator took the eyes from the scientist who was helping him, or someone else’s eyes?
It was right before bed and I was tired so I couldn’t figure out if the scientist at the end was a flashback to before he got killed and had his eyes taken out. It was kinda weird how the scientist seemed to realize something seriously weird was up then closed the door and stayed in the bathroom with evil terminator anyway.
The head of Evil Terminator rolled into the time bubble in 1999 and re-emerged in 2007. But wasn’t it devoid of flesh? I thought you can’t jaunt things through time unless they’re embedded in flesh?
That one, at least, we can deal with. If I recall, in the first movie Kyle Reece said that the Terminator could come through because it was covered with living tissue.
In the pilot episode of the tv show, it looked like the Terminator sent after John cut open its own thigh and pulled out a pistol. (Of course, if it brought that pistol from the future, you’d think it would have brought a more powerful, weapon, like one of them plasma guns. Or a bomb that would turn the whole school into a crater.)
ETA: Of course, that doesn’t really explain how the second Terminator in T2 got through, being made entirely of liquid metal.
I’ve mentioned this before, but I think the Terminator was sent through, found itself naked and devoid of guns, so it scrounged up a pistol in the present. It hid the pistol in its thigh to sneak it into class.
As for the head, it was covered in flesh shortly before going through the bubble. Therefore, I’ll allow that the flesh was burning off in transit, but the FX team didn’t depict it well.
I’m sure none of these explanations will satisfy the die-hard complainers, though.
It’s possible that the T1000 was covered in living tissue just for the ride over and discarded it once he got here and just used his liquid metal to impersonate skin after that, right?
Actually her job is to get close enough to shoot them. We saw a terminator infiltrating a human stronghold in the first movie. He gets discovered by dogs and starts shooting. I don’t think they generally assume deep cover. They walk close enough to get a good shot and blammo.
Also to other nits. The alloy that the t-1000 was made of could presumably generate the same energy field that living flesh generates.
As to why the terminator needed the scientist, I can know the recipe for my mom’s famous chicken adobo, that doesn’t mean I can cook it well on the first try. Think of the logistical problems. He’d need to procure the equipment, which he doesn’t even know the manufacturers of in our timeline. He’d need to gather the money together to purchase the stuff that’s too big or weird to steal, he’d need monitor the process while lying perfectly still in a bathtub full of primordial goo. It makes no sense that he’d try to do it himself. Not a plothole.
The head flesh was burning off as they went through. It presumably had enough of the lifeform energy field left to make it through. Because it did. Not a plot hole.
Sheesh. Complaining for the sake of complaining is fun, but c’mon. As far as sci-fi goes, it’s been pretty good for the first three episodes.
I must respectfully disagree. If you want to make the show they’re making, go right ahead and make it, but don’t try to slap a “Terminator” franchise label on it if you’re not going to pay attention to the things that have already been well-established in the Terminator universe. That goes for the movies, too. Like I’ve said before in this thread, know (and respect) your audience - sci fi fans don’t just like internal consistency, we demand it. Writers of sci fi tv and movies (the bad ones) seem to think that since they’re working in a fantasy universe, they can do whatever they want, whenever they want - it just doesn’t work like that. Time travel should not be your deus ex machina when you write your plot and characters into a corner.
I have a bit of an idea behind this one…remember the other week when Cameron mentioned to Sarah that John talked about her reading The Wizard of Oz to him as a child, a lot? That it was one of his fondest memories?
Well…he didn’t really have a lot of time to talk to her about that in the present, did he?
And that doesn’t really seem like a topic of conversation you’d bring up to a repurposed cyborg you were sending back on a combat mission, does it?
My theory: she acted so naturally around John because she knew him, personally, very well in the future.
Her more “autistic” behavior around other people might be her simply being less experienced around other people besides him, and/or she’s overcompensating…possibly for the sake of sparing her own feelings (Hey, Arnie was an off the shelf Terminator in T2, and he was all hugs and handshakes after a few days of contact with humans. Cameron’s supposed to be a model designed to better simulate human emotions and behaviors than a regular Terminator).
That’s an intriguing hypothesis, Ranchoth. I doubt it’s true, but I think you’re correct that there’s something going on with Cameron that we don’t know yet. Maybe we’ll learn more Monday night, when they visit the factory where Cameron was made.
I know this isn’t great debates… but could I get an example?
I don’t think they have. I’m as much of a sci-fi snob as you’re ever likely to find. What in particular makes you think they didn’t obey the rules as we know them. Also note, just because you assume something doesn’t mean is cannon.
Have you *seen *any of the other movies in the series? Time travel was used to get them into the present day. A necessity for the series. You don’t expect them to write a period piece set in 96 do you? And it was done is a pretty consistent manner. They sent back agents to build the time machine with contemporary parts. Why is that deus ex machina? It doesn’t in the least conflict with what we’ve seen before. If you mean the head, it was covered with living flesh when it got hit by that blaster. Maybe it kept the energy field as it burned off.
Well, the first and foremost issue that bugs me, and bugs many a Terminator fan, is that the second and third movies and this series all throw what was established in the first movie in the trash. It was a beautifully self-contained time-travel story - the past happened because the future happened, and the future happened because the past happened.
I also don’t buy the head coming through the time warp - it was well-established and one of the ground rules of the show that metal doesn’t go through - period. The flesh burning off as it went just isn’t good enough for me. At the point where the flesh was burned off, it should have stopped going through - like the guns they were holding when they stepped into the time warp, and their clothes. If they’d kept the flesh on, that would have been okay. It was also completely irrelevant to the plot - a cyborg could have just waited seven years.
I don’t think there was any reason to move it to present day, anyway. Most shows only last seven years - the big finale could have been Sarah dying of cancer. Ta-da! How did the agents build a time machine, anyway? They couldn’t take any plans back to the past with them (paper didn’t go through) - maybe they had them tattooed on their backs. And build it with 1950’s (60’s?) parts. Not buying it.
Also, why draw the line at the second movie and not the first or the third? Why accept as canon the first and second movies and dismiss the third? They took some of the ideas from the third movie (Sarah dying of cancer, for example), but are ignoring the rest of it. Sloppy writing. Lazy plot development. It seems like some kind of cafeteria Terminator writing - they just pick and choose the stuff they decide to keep in the universe. I think if you want to play in that universe, you have to play by its rules and follow the established story, not just ignore them.
I don’t like the idea of continuing to monkey with the past and the future - with clever, diligent writers, I think I could suspend my disbelief long enough to get on board with them, but they have to earn it. They can’t just start throwing different pasts and futures around willy-nilly and expect us to just swallow them. Their idea that Sarah and John changed their present which changed the future is an interesting one, but it has to fit the constraints of the show, and they have to keep that consistent for themselves, too. What it looks like to me is that their current actions have changed the future enough that more terminators and time machines have been built and sent back, but changing their present wasn’t able to stop Judgment Day - do their actions affect the future or not? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, depending on what the plot needs? That smacks of sloppy, lazy writing to me. If you’re staying consistent, you don’t need your audience to come onto message boards and fanwank themselves into figuring what’s going on - it should be in the writing and plot development. And I’m pretty sure Isaac Asimov would agree with me.
