Saw Star Trek: Nemesis last night. Any questions? *SPOILERS* (probably)

I went to the Doctor for that once…

Darn, this thread is dying just after I made one of the best jokes in my positing history.

Life sucks.

Bryan Ekers due to your posts in this thread, both funny and critical, I hearby dub you one of my favorite posters!
And I second most all of the criticism about the movie. I liked it, but thinking about it later the many obvious and unnecessary plot holes have really gotten to me, particularly:

Troi’s newfound psychic powers, which enable her to locate enemy ships on a ouji board.

Data et al’s willingness to assemble an android which is basically a duplicate copy of Data, download all Data’s memory into the thing, and let it roam free about the ship. All with no mention of Lor, and no real questioning as to why it was there in the first place.

“Hm… we seem to be approaching a big cloud in the middle of space that will cut us off from all communication and long range sensors. Think we should tell the captain, or maybe just go around? Nah.”

We’re slaves under the whip and lash. We’re honored and highly trained warriors. We’re Scientists and builders who have the ability, skills, and resources to develop a super bad-ass ship and a totally unique and never before seen weapon completely undetected.

Of all the multitudes of bad guys that could have been drawn upon to actually further the plot and develop previous themes in the ST universe, we get some made up bad guys who never existed before this movie.

[Kevin Spacey]
…I don’t think you’ll hear from them again.
… And poof, like that, they’re gone.
[/Kevin Spacey]
And, on a more general note, There was just not enough character development to make Picard’s obviously intense emotional connection to mini-Jean Luc believable. Yes we know family is very important to him. Yes we know his lineage is very important. But please. Jean Luc is no doofus, and certainly knows that just 'cause this kid looks like him and shares his genes doesn’t mean he’s family. I don’t buy that he would have liked him so. There was no talk about Picard feeling violated and angry, which is the response I would have expected from him.

And, on a related note, the nature/nurture thing was really trite. I feel it can be sumed up thusly:

Mini-Picard: I am a mirror for you! If you had been forced to listen to off-key Gorns singing “It’s not Unusual”, you would have done exactly what I have!

Picard: I am a mirror for you! If you had only been loved as a child, you would have done exactly what I have!

And, if you didn’t pick it up the first time, it’s repeated about 50-gigillion times! But, there’s no actual exploration of that issue. There’s just a bad guy and a good guy who share DNA yelling at eachother about which one should be like the other. Please. But I guess superficial glossing over of potentially interesting subject matter has been the “course de rigour” (yeah, I know that’s probably spelled wrong, and might not even be what I mean, so correct me if I’m wrong) for Star Trek for quite some time.

Of course not, as Unca Cecil has aleady explained.

This late in the game, I have very little hope of this being answered, but here goes:

Was there even one log entry made during this entire film? I can’t remember one, and if not, would that make it the first “episode” ever to have no log entries? (I remember one episode late in Next Gen’s run was the first episode ever of any Star Trek to have no scenes on the bridge.)

Also, does anybody find it strange that when trying to come up with a completely unexpected way to attack Shinzon, Picard basically used a variation of the Picard Maneuver? Yeah, Jean Luc. He’ll never see that coming.

Sometimes, the “Captain’s log” is used to set up the action or explain the story because of the time constraints in televised eps, or to let the audience in on feelings or past events that the audience kneads to know. On a feature film, they don’t really knead it, since they can spend a little more time on explanations or foreshadowing.

I don’t recall hearing one in this epi… sorry… movie, either. But I’ve only seen it once. I’ll watch it again, I’m sure, after I’ve memorized this thread. It was entertaining, after all.

Family is the TNG ep you’re referencing… I think.

Knead, yes, there was one log. I remember it specifically because it was midway through the movie and there hadn’t been one up until that point.

As to the contents of the log, I can’t remember.

I liked Nemesis. But then, I’m only an ensign in the Star Trek Geekfleet :smiley:

Like many (probably most) people, I saw the two androids in the trailers and immediately thought “Lore! Cool!” Making the other android Lore would have been an improvement. Having B4 around ruined the emotional impact of Data’s death, because you know that B4 will turn into Data Junior.

I got away from the NG series towards the end. What happened to Lore? Was he destroyed? The last I saw of him was when he stole the emotion chip from Dr. Soong (sp?)

If I were the director, the other android would be Lore, and during the big battle, he would break loose and cause some kind of trouble (perhaps disabling the shields to allow the Remans to board?). Data would then confront Lore and kill him, and the movie would continue as before.

Other thoughts:

I’ve always wondered if there was a planet Remus near Romulus.

Someone upthread said that Tom Riker is in prison. I’d been wondering what happened to him. This is related to my next thought:

Do you think that the next series will be Star Trek: Titan?

It was shown on a view screen in the old series in oh my god, I am such a geek

Picard tells about being in orbit for 17 hours waiting to hear from the Romulans after the Enterprise arrives.


And I believe it was Spock showing it to Kirk, on the bridge, in the first season episode “Balance of Terror.”

geekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeekgeek

You know what makes us real geeks? We didn’t have to look it up!
Oh why, oh why, oh why? [sob]

Don’t cry, dahlingk. We all have to be good at something in our lives. :wink:

I can’t believe that noone has mentioned this:

During the celebration at the beginning, Worf comments that “Romulan ale should be illegal.”

Someone (I forget who) then tells him that it is.

So…why is it being served at Riker and Troi’s wedding reception?
What else is on the menu? Hashish brownies? :slight_smile:


Well, it was illegal back in the days of Kirk and co. in ST2, and McCoy gave it to Kirk anyway. Guinan probably nabbed it somewhere. I used to have a recipe for it.
:wink:

I want what Scotty had.

Alien: “What’sh thish?”

Scotty: "It’s green!

If it makes hyperintelligentpandimensionalbeings AND Scotty pass out… Well then

Well, the ale most definitely was green. I know there was Blue Curacao in it. I just can’t remember the other two ingredients. Powerful…has destroyed memory banks.

“Wonderful stuff, that Romulan ale.” --McCoy

I’m having Irish cream over crushed ice as we speak. Old Trekkers drink a lot. Might build a fire in the living room in a bit. I mean in the fireplace in the living room, Viva. :wink:
Damn the Raiders to hell! They just beat Denver. Where’s that weapon, Shinzon?!?

Going back to the Remus thing, in “Balance of Terror”, the planet was clearly labeled as Romii but pronounced Remus.

I think I just beat you all. :slight_smile: So can I be an officer, huh? :smiley:

Heck, you can be the Überdörk for that! :smiley: