Is there some reason “straight woman” is used here? Do gay women describe other women as “hot”?
Not a woman, but I think I understand where they are coming from. White men, for example, often accuse people of color - specifically African-American men - of sexually preying on white women. In this fantasy, the white man styles himself as a defender of white maidenhood from unending hordes of virile black men. This fantasy allows white men to transform into a rifle-carrying Paladin from* Diablo III* where one pretends to be the holy defender of white maidenhood when white men, in fact, are the destroyers of white maidenhood; it is white - not black - men who lead the pack in rape, murder, and sexual assault against white women. White men - at least the American ones anyway - have no respect for their women. White men privately and publicly fat shame their women (This is insane, evil, cultural shit that white people do because where I come from I’ve never seen a homecoming queen or dated a woman * under 150 lbs*). White men viciously smear women about their looks and distribute or leak intimate photos on the Internet as if women were objects or trophies. While black folks encourage and celebrate black female educational achievement, white folks openly mock and conflate white female educational achievement with feminism, tribalism, and the destruction of the white familial unit. Because white women have been the greatest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action, white men want to tear it down under the eye-rolling excuse of “gender equality”. These self-entitled white men have banded together on the Internet to complain about not having sex of the women of their choice, to exchange tips on seducing women to extract a one-night stand, or to perpetuate hate and/or sexual, emotional, and physical violence against women. Further, white men can rape and sexually assault white women and get away with it or get very light sentences. And because white men - the same people who cured smallpox and created the first nuclear reactor - are unable to catalogue rape kits, there’s little insurance for white women to believe that their rape kit won’t be mishandled if it happens it to them. All in all, there are palpable reasons for white women - hell, all women - to be highly skeptical of comments a white man says in regards to relationships, sex, or intimacy. To directly answer your question, the phrase “Hot Chick” isn’t offensive in itself, but men’s words must be handled with a high degree skepticism especially in regards to sex or intimacy. White women are getting smarter and realize that, as a group, white men have been peddling nothing but projection, equivocation, and bullshit since Plymouth Rock.
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I wrote a long post in response to these two sentences but decided to delete it in favor of saying this instead: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
It is indeed funny to think that women in the 1950s and '60s were “a lot happier than women today.” But not exactly in the way you evidently intended.
I used the term because the quote I was replying to used the term.
I don’t know many gay women. Certainly not these days now that I’m a confirmed homebody.
You would have to ask someone else for a good answer to your question.
[ETA:
Though I strongly suspect that there is at least one gay woman somewhere who uses the term “hot” to describe attractive women.
People do all sorts of things all the time.]
I only spoke to my personal experience which runs counter to kambuckta’s assertion that
“A straight woman would NEVER refer to another woman as being a hot chick, and the language used is the domain of males only.”
Starving Artist’s schtick here has always been some variant of “the world has been going to hell ever since the first Beatles album came out.” This is just another one of his takes on how the ‘sixties were good for nothing but destroying the moral fiber of our society.
I understand. It was more of question to everyone, not just you.
Do I really need to explain why it might bother women more than men to be on the receiving end of an unsolicited opinion about the looks of another woman? :smack:
Someone upthread bemoaned the lack of any data on harassment of women in the US. Astonishingly enough, such data exists. Such as this2018, US, n=2000 survey of men and women on the topic of sexual harassment and sexual assault.
Headlines:
81% of women and 43% of men have experience harassment or assault.
77% of women have experienced verbal sexual harassment; 27% have survived sexual assault.
Equivalent figures for men are 34% and 7%.
Even for men, harassers/assaulters are more likely to be men than women
Whereas for men, risk of sexual harassment and especially assault was far higher among marginalised groups (e.g. men below the poverty line, gay and bisexual men, men with disabilities), there were few such significant differences between sub-populations of women. In other words, it’s noticeable that the while being white, straight and relatively well off is protective for men, it’s not for women.
So if you were wondering: yes, lots of women in the US experience or have experienced harassment, and this is not restricted to particular sub-populations but a fairly universal experience. This implies a certain sense of impunity among those men who harass women; a sense of impunity that is unlikely to be much diminished when other men casually and freely use dismissive terms like “hot chick” to single out women.
The thing is, he’s about 70, if I recall correctly. So his much beloved 1950s is seen purely through the lens of childhood. Of course women seemed happier in the 50s if you’re 10 years old!
He seems to think his masculine interpretation of feminine experience trumps actual feminine experience. No women get harassed, assaulted, or groped because they’ve never mentioned it to him (even if he tells a story of actually seeing it happen, he’s never seen it happen) . Of course women like being called hot chicks because he doesn’t understand why it would be demeaning. Women today are crass and thus should expect nothing else but to be treated poorly. The women who try to explain it are not sufficiently ladylike to treat decently, so he’s free to be nasty in response to even preternaturally calm, reasonable posts.
It doesnt matter how many women share our experiences and views, his somehow are somehow valid than ours.
Seconded both for this thread as well as the racism one.
I don’t need you to, no. I’m interested in how you would explain it though, so yeah, give it a try.
This board has shifted really far to the absurd Left. My girlfriend is a very pretty Priest that is often called “The Hot Priest” by other people. If anything could be possibly more inappropriate, that would be it but she doesn’t mind and enjoys the compliment in its own way. She does have to to point out the promise ring from me on her ring finger sometimes but she doesn’t get upset by it.
I also get some inappropriate comments about my daughters sometimes but I just deal with them. This isn’t some huge social issue these days. Younger women do better than young men in most ways and it is complete fiction to pretend otherwise.
I have to agree with Starving Artist on this one.
Well, you see, anything Starving Artist wants to complain about is a very important issue that deserves continuous denouncing and lamentation.
Complaining on the part of anybody else is merely “fault-finding and whinging” and “taking things waaay too seriously” when they should just “deal with it the best you can and go on with your life”.
If he followed his own anti-whinging advice we’d never hear from him again.
That study seems to stretch the definition of “sexual harassment”
What inappropriate comments do you get about your daughters that you can just laugh off, or whatever you mean by “I just deal with them”?
A couple of things:
If she really didn’t mind, she wouldn’t be trying to shut it down by pointing out the promise ring.
Calling her a hot priest is super weird, but it doesn’t strip out her identity quite as thoroughly as reducing her to a hot chick.
YOU hear comments about your daughters? GTFO with your male interpretation of what might bother a woman and in what context. Your reaction as the father of daughters is not relevant.
No, those are pretty standard definitions of sexual harassment.
I’ve seen quite a few women I consider to be “hot chicks.” Actress Jenny Agutter, for example. And one of the executive assistants at my workplace. Should I be sent to a reeducation camp now?
Well, you kind of refuted your own attempted point there. If you know something’s inappropriate, you don’t really have a leg to stand on when somebody else tells you it’s inappropriate.
Nobody’s claiming that everybody is guaranteed to personally mind everything that’s inappropriate, or trying to dictate any other individual’s choices about what inappropriate behavior directed at themselves they must or mustn’t mind.
All we’re saying is that in situations where commenting on a woman’s appearance is inappropriate, and you insist on commenting on a woman’s appearance anyway, you are likely to come across to many people as a misogynistic asshole. Even if the woman whose appearance you’re commenting on is kind enough not to mind it.
So enough already from the outraged pearl-clutchers who are getting so incensed that somebody dared to suggest to them that their inappropriate behavior was inappropriate and made them look like misogynistic assholes. You can choose to say whatever you like, and other people can think whatever they like of you as a result.