scholarship money 4 college

I’m desperate. I need lots of money to go to school this fall. My financial aid package is only allowing me to borrow $6,000 but I need $25,000 and I know there are a lot of scholarship resources on the web but most of them have passed their deadlines.

Anyone have any ideas on the subject at all. Resources? experiences? anything to share on the subject?
Secret weapons? secret resources? secret experiences? secret secrets? funny jokes? obscure sci-fi references? er… actually I’d rather just stick to the original subject if it’s all the same to you.

Join the army, they pay for college.

go to www.fastweb.com
It’s a pretty cool site for scholarships.

Join the army? Cripes, your better off selling your ass on Times Square for a year.

The only advice I could give you at this point would be past due. I would have suggested lying on your FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) and whatever state student aid forms you have to deal with (in NY state, it’s TAP, Tuition Assistance Program). My father plays poker for a living and hasn’t filled a tax return in ten years. As such, we put down $0.00 when they asked what my parents’ reportable income was (my parents are divorced, and they only ask for information for the parent you “spend the most time with”). What we put was tantamount to saying “we make no money at all”, even though my High School cost $6,000 a year. No one questioned us or asked for any documentation. They just sent us the money.

Don’t feel right about lying to the government (or at least the part of it that’s giving you free money)? Then just remember when those fuckers had you fill out your selective service card just so you could be eligible for student aid. First of all, there are serious jurisdictional issues involved here. I’m opposed to the draft on principle, but they would deny me aid (or the “equal protection of the law”, to use constitutional terminology) because of my political beliefs. I filled out the form, and I even told the truth (which I obviously don’t feel obligated to do), but I’ll be the next in a long line of anscestors to serve in Canada during the war should something like that ever come up. Sorry, got off on a bit of a rant.

The only advice I can give you that might be of any help would be to say that schools will often fight for top prospects. Are you too good for the college you’re going to? Could you conceivably go to a much better/cheaper place? If so, get in touch with the school’s financial aid officer (or admissions officer, I forget). Explain to them that another school has offered an aid package that you can’t afford to turn down, but you would really rather go there. It’s not unheard of for schools to knock a few grand off their fee if you threaten not to go. Best of luck.

The “specialist” scholarships you are thinking of are usually pretty obscure…you have to be somethign like a Green German-American lesbian iguana born a Pisces in Pittsburg.

I have no moral objection to lying on the FAFSA, but they required a copy of my tax return. How did you get around that? (which of course doesn’t matter now anyway, at least not until next year)

I know, I’ve looked all over the web, fastweb, salliemae, varsitybooks. The criteria for these scholarships are ridiculus.

Could you believe how fuckin expensive it is just to go to school?

Asked for your tax return? Dang. I guess some schools are more picky than others. We did end up sending it in very late, that might have helped. If your school has a propensity towards looking in to things, you may not want to try that after all – especially after giving them an honest number up front. Best of luck.

'cuse my ignorance, but why does nine months of college cost $25,000? I mean shucks, even that much is lower then a couple of kids I know. But then they said it includes housing, food, tuition, etc.

Im under the impression you can save a lot of money if you get a room in the city & cook your own food. Perhaps a part time job too. But still, what do you get for $25,000?

When I went to UCSD '78, tutition & fees were only about $300/quarter.

I just finished putting myself through school with no support from my folks. It was a private university in New York City, so not only did I need the 20-odd K for tuition, I needed to support myself in NYC. I became somewhat of an expert at working the financial aid system.

First of all don’t lie on your FAFSA. It is just not a good idea. I’ll leave it to someone else to get into the ethical reasons behind it, I’ll just stick to the practical side.

Why not lie? First of all, take a look at how the FAFSA works. It has been a year or so since I looked at the exact formula, but it pretty much boils down to this - Take what you earned. Subtract a standard deduction (something like $4,500) and subtract some for taxes. Now take that number and divide in half. That half is your expected family contribution (EFC). You can see why to get this number down you’ll have to do a lot of lying on the form, not just forgetting to report a part time job or two. Calculating the EFC is what the FAFSA is all about.

The EFC is generally used by three groups: The Feds, to see what grants you get, the banks, to see what loans you qualify for, and the school itself to help it decide how much money to hand you.

The Feds use the EFC chiefly to determine eligibility for a Pell and Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant (SEOG). You don’t even begin to qualify for the grants until the EFC falls below some ludicrously low number, something like five thousand for the Pell, two thousand for the SEOG. (Just to get it to this starting point you’ll have to claim less than $15,000 in income). Once you qualify, you get a percentage of the maximum grant until your EFC is zero.

And for what? We are not talking about tens of thousands of dollars… IIRC the maximum Pell (that is, with close to a zero EFC) is around three thousand for a year, and SEOG maxes out at about thirty-five hundred. Six to seven thousand dollars is a lot, but you only get that if you zero out on the FAFSA. It is going to send up one heck of an audit flag if you claim anything near that.

An you will get audited. From my conversations with the FA staff at school, [hearsay]I learned that as a Federal grant program, they (the Feds) are free to put all sorts of restrictions and conditions on a school for qualification for grant disbursement. The audit is not necessarily an IRSque reaming of your personal life, but the double-checking and cross-referencing is pretty thorough. [/hearsay] Anyplace that gives you a legitimate W2 also furnished that to the IRS.

So miss a W2 or two, and maybe you’ll be OK. Miss them all, and don’t expect much sympathy from the FA officer, and expect to be disqualified for all future government educational grants. Even if you are a senior and don’t plan on grad school, it is not a good thing to piss off Uncle Sam. Also, do you want to deal with patching up the situation in the middle of the semester?

But all is not lost. Here is my advice: Beg. No, I’m serious. Beg. Practice in front of the mirror looking desperate. And then go and see the FA office at your school. If it is out of town, find a job in that town for the summer and stay with a friend, distant relative or net-friend. But go there in person. Here is what begging accomplished for me:

A change in my EFC. This is by far the longest shot, but it was done for me. The school, in extraordinary circumstances, can re-evaluate your EFC on their own and report that change to the Fed. They did this for me by basing that current year’s income on next year’s projected income. I don’t know how often this is done (It didn’t happen to any of my friends) but after a half a semester of (polite) begging, the head of the department helped me out. My circumstance for that year was quite out of the ordinary, so I don’t want to get your hopes up. But it can be done.

Secondly, and there is a better chance of this, the financial aid department can override the loan guidelines and increase the amount you are eligible to borrow. First of all, there is the Perkins loan, an extra three thousand that is pretty easy to make available. As for Sub- and Unsub- Stafford loans, I was able to get up to ten thousand per year between the two. So, without lying you can boost your loans up to around thirteen thousand. (This is for an ‘independent’ student. I don’t know if you qualify for that or not, or if the f/a office can do anything about it).

There is also more scholarship money that the school has that they can give you. I assume that there is some in your package already, but you still need more. Though the school may have already given out everything they say they have to give, there are two categories of monies they have in reserve. A bit for ‘emergency’ students. The son / daughter of a Nobel Prize winner, for example. Money will also become available because some students will not attend. They go somewhere else, they take a year off, etc… That money goes back into the pool of resources, and if you are tenacious enough you might get your hands on it. If you’ve gone the loan angle first, and they realize that you will either have to attend a different school or drop out, they do have resources with which to help you out. Whether or not they do… well, good luck.

I said to go to the town / city where the school is, because begging in person is a lot easier and more productive than doing it over the phone. It is a lot easier to say ‘no, I can’t do that’ to someone on the phone than it is to their face. Getting to the city early in the summer will also let you scout around for the best job you can get. It puts you in the area of local civic organizations who you can write to / call / stop in at and beg for money. (And do the same with national organizations. It can not hurt to get rejected, but each $100 brings you that much closer to tuition and food. Also, in the event that all else fails and you can’t raise the money for this year, it should help you qualify (if needed) for in-state tuition or state run financial aid programs. (New York had the Tuition Assistance Program, an added three grand).

So, don’t lie. It won’t get you that much, but can get you a gargantuan headache. What you would get with a lie you have a chance of getting anyway. Polite persistence at the school and motivated diligence in the community will get you surprisingly far. That is all I can say for now without knowing what school you are going to, if this is your first year, and why the f/a package was so skimpy. Let me know and I’ll see if anything else rings a bell. In the meantime, good luck. I know all too well what you are going though.

Rhythmdvl

No moral problem with lying on the FAFSA? What if I, John Q. Taxpayer, has a moral problem with giving my hard-earned tax money to people who lie? What about my rights?

No offense to Canada, but why don’t you go ahead on up there? We already have plenty of people who lie to the government. We won’t miss you. Of course, Canada is a nice place. They probably aren’t interested in you either.

Those of us who are serving or have served in the armed forces tend to think we are a cut or two above your average Times Square whore. For one thing, we don’t let other people take our places in the line of fire while we scamper off to Canada.

But getting back to the OP, you don’t have to be active duty military to get money for school. Joining the Reserves or National Guard gets you substantial educational benefits as well.

I’m not sure of all the particulars, but I know that in addition to the money the military will give you, here in Maryland that you can attend any state school for free if you are in the Guard or Reserves.

Have you tried for a Federal Pell Grant?

And what school are you going to? Is there any school that costs that could satisfy your educational needs? (Probably not a solution for you, but I thought I would mention it anyway.)

As with VarlosZ’s advice, this is probably past due, but the "expected family contribution that Uncle Sam comes up with is, in my experience, generally reasonable. The difference between that number and the total cost of tuition (don’t remember if they count room and board) is called your need. Most good schools (and I hope that at 25 grand, it’s a good school that you’re looking at), will meet 100% of your need, in some form or another. Usually, the package will include scholarships (if you qualify), loans, grants, and work study.
A couple of other notes: If there’s other kids in your family who may be going to college down the line, don’t drain your savings on the first kid, because then, they’ll assume that you can do the same for all the rest. If, on the other hand, you’re an only child, then it’s almost always to your advantage to pay from your savings before taking the loans-- The interest rates work more in your favor that way.

Go to http://www.finaid.org. It is the most comprehensive scholarship/grant search available. There are all different manners of scholarships and grants available. If you lie on your FAFSA you will be caught. There are several data matching devices that match your social security number with a) the people who claim you as a dependent b) the department of justice (if you have a drug conviction you won’t get financial aid in most cases) c) all other manner of data matching. I could go through the entire process but frankly it is fairly boring. Also, if you lie on the FAFSA, when you get caught you will be up for a nice little jail sentance, forced repayment, and will never be eligible for financial aid again which includes most privately funded scholarships. That outlook is rather bleak.

If your school is that expensive and they don’t have some type of discount (most of the big, expensive schools now have some type of discount that will pay about half of your tuition) then you should go to a different school completely and transfer in during your junior year when your financial aid will go up. It still won’t cover your cost of attendence unless you have some type of outside aid coming in since the Pell Grant is maxed out at about $3250 right now and the Stafford Loan is maxed at about $6000-8000 a year depending on what your current standing is.

HUGS!
Sqrl

You can take out an ad in the paper asking for donations of 2500000 pennies from everyone in town.
It worked for this guy :smiley:

Louie, when I went to college, 70’s, the time when you’d see all these ‘I FOUND IT’ signs, college kids used to put ads in the paper all the time that said, ‘Ill do anything legal for $4000’

Face to face begging works, at least at colleges and universities. I went to undergraduate college for 17 years. (11 different institutions. I finally get an English degree and am now working as a Technical Writer) I got full scholarships for the first two years. My parents paid for 2 years after that and made random contributions to my nutritional needs after that. The rest of the time I begged a lot. I begged to get into closed classes, I begged to get deadlines postponed, I begged for loans, and I begged for grants.

One time it failed. My loan application was denied because they claimed I must have lied on my application because no one could possibly be living on $8,000 a year (in 1985). No amount of begging would make them change their minds. So, I took advantage of a student credit card deal being offered by the same bank and put the unpaid part of my tuition on the card ($2300). I then tore up the card and didn’t pay them a dime for 15 years when they got desperate and said that they’d call it even if I would pay $850. <hijack>I bet the same people are really racking up some losses to college student gambling debts now. What are those banks (and those kids) thinking?</hijack>

Let me repeat. Beg. In person.

First off, thank you all for your input. I just want to clear up that I would never lie on the FAFSA. No matter how much lying I could possibly do and get away with it, I still couldn’t cover my costs.

Let me explain my situation in further detail, because a lot of the generally wonderful thoughts and ideas stated so far, may not apply for me.

I’m living in NY and trying to go to a school in California (puts a damper on my ability to beg in person(BTW I have, and intend to continue, significant begging over the phone)). Why? Well I’m trying to go for music and, without going into too much detail, the whole frame of mind is very different out on the west coast. The good schools in NY have very rigid requirements and are very specific as to the genre labels under which you will study, and the bad schools are very bad, though as a last resort I will probably attend one this year and try again for CalArts next year.

<<Arnold Winkelried>>
“Have you tried for a Federal Pell Grant?”

I’m am way out of the league necessary to obtain a pell grant.

Also, my parents, absolutely refusing to send me to school for music, sent me to school for psychology instead and I earned a BA (a diploma which makes for a very good piece of toilet paper in my life, but little else). I am now trying to go to school as a BFA1 which is the reason for my ridiculusly low $6,000 SAR award (i.e. you get a lot less if you already have a degree, unless you are going as a grad student).

<<Louie>>
"You can take out an ad in the paper asking for donations of 2500000 pennies from everyone in town.

           It worked for this guy"

Very clever idea indeed. I wish I’d thought of it earlier.

Well, I wish I could afford going there and begging in person but I certainly haven’t given up with my phone begging.

But they have told me over and over again that there is just no more money available for scholarships and that my only hope is for money to be freed up from last minute people who decide not to go.

Well, thanks again everyone.

Ever thought to ask the school for a discount?