Sci-Fi Channel Sues NASA for UFO Info

[Grey]

I’d say they crash and get seen by bumpkins far to often to be an ultimate weapon.

[kingpengvin]

Maybe the US government should fake a whole bunch of evidence of the existence of exterterestrial crashes on earth release them on April 1st. Let the conspirasist UFO nuts jump for joy. Over time when they finally see the clues showing the evidence to be fake (A contemprary newspaper in a 1950s photo, the zipper on the alien body) they will become Anti Ufo people.

The Nutters can go about exposing how the government is trying to fool us. The government claims to have no knowledge of fakery so now the nuts are on the side of good and we can have a good laugh.

[Urban_Ranger]

*Originally posted by toadspittle *
What would YOU do if you were the president and were told that an operational flying saucer, capable of outmaneuvering any earth vessel, impervious to antiaircraft fire, capable of traveling to other planets, and possibly armed with devastating beam weapons that cannot be countered was just recovered from a “meteor impact” site?

You failed to consider that if such a craft went down in the US, it is highly likely that at least one other country will have access to a similar craft.

[armedmonkey]

*Originally posted by Urban Ranger *
**If that were that case, I’d expect to see much more advanced technology coming out from the US military already.

The absence of such technology speaks volume. **

Not really. It’e easily conceivable that the crafts technology is too advanced for us to know what we are looking at, and that we can only learn incrementally from it as our own technology advances.

Imagine if a small piston driven plane crashed in Leonardo DaVinci’s back yard. He realizes it’s important and salvages some parts for study. He has no idea what the carbuerator on his workshop table actually does. The electronics are pretty much intact as well, but he has no battery. “What’s with all this mettalic spaghetti in boxes?”, he wonders. As good as an engineer as he is, there is no way for him to make scientific leaps and bounds from the find, because he doesn’t know what the pieces he is looking at are supposed to do. Building a working plane is out of the question, but the salvage operation does give him some interesting ideas relating to airfoils and hydrolics…

If the Heart Of Gold crashed in Pennsylavania, we can’t be sure that we would learn much from it, other than that Colonel Jenkins starts turning into a penguin every time he gets too close to the thing. The technology may simply be beyond our understanding. It’s conceivable that the most signifigant progress we’ve made so far is figuring out that the funny looking teardrop thing in the mess hall is a microwave oven, and a duffel bag left by the crew has these neat velcro straps on it.

[toadspittle]

More updates on this story:

Some expert opinion on the unlikelihood of Cosmos 96 coming down in Kecksburg:

http://www.freedomofinfo.org/news/cosmos-96.pdf

Chief Scientist for Orbital Debris at the NASA Johnson Space Center, Nicholas L. Johnson, who is recognized internationally as an authority on orbital debris and foreign space systems, has determined that Cosmos 96, the Russian Venera probe that has been considered a possible explanation for the Kecksburg object for decades, did not land in Pennsylvania on the afternoon of December 9, 1965. Furthermore, he states that no other man-made object from any country came down that day.

Debris from Cosmos 96 has been a leading contender as an explanation for the Kecksburg object, due to the fact that it came down early that morning over Canada. Perhaps part ended up in Pennsylvania later, the theory went. The Air Force stated at the time that no space debris entered the atmosphere that day, and that all aircraft and missiles were accounted for.

Johnson examined the orbital data for Cosmos 96 and was able to calculate when it would have passed over Pennsylvania if it had been in orbit that day. The time, when it traveled from north to south, was at approximately 6:20 am. The Kecksburg object came down at 4:45 p.m. “I can tell you categorically, that there is no way that any debris from Cosmos 96 could have landed in Pennsylvania anywhere around 4:45 p.m.,” said Johnson in an interview on October 10, 2003. “That’s an absolute. Orbital mechanics is very strict.”

So, if his calculations are accurate, then this particular probe is ruled out. Not ruled out: nothing coming down at all, meteorite, covert military crash (US/USSR military satellite/aircraft whose existence was not fit for public consumption), ET craft.

And, of course, this announcement:

Scifi.com

12:00pm ET, 24-October-03

NASA Opens Kecksburg Docs

NASA has agreed to turn over documents relating to the alleged crash of a UFO in Kecksburg, Pa., in 1965, the SCI FI Channel announced. The news comes a day after SCI FI said it would pursue legal action against the National Aeronautics and Space Administration to release its records on the incident.

NASA informed Lee Helfrich, attorney for the Channel-sponsored Coalition for Freedom of Information, that it is releasing 36 pages of documents, the Channel said.

The release comes after 10 months of pursuing the records through the Freedom of Information Act. The Department of Defense and the U.S. Army have yet to release any records under similar requests, the Channel said.

“For more than four months we have received no response from NASA, but one day after John Podesta, President Clinton’s former chief of staff and member of the Moynihan Commission, and Bonnie Hammer, president of SCI FI Channel, called on government agencies to make public records that are over 25 years old, lo and behold, NASA responds,” Helfrich said in a statement.